Cross-posted from "Nina going off today" by @seahorse@midwest.social in !antifascism@midwest.social
this post was submitted on 09 Jun 2025
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No one said anything about voting. But if peaceful means does not work, let them fire the first shot and then fire back.
If you let them fire first, then you die. Why let them harm you at all?
This is kind of pointless because I know you don't have the patience to read an article anyway.
You do realise that firing at the authorities first will give them perfect justification and legitimises their use of force? This is literally what Trump is waiting for. It is a blinking game and see who blinks first. You don't give the ruling corrupt power any more legitimacy.
How does letting a cop shoot you, give you "legitimacy"? Self-defense is not some corrupting infectious disease, and a refusal to be bullied is honorable.
I know you won't read this, but at least others should know the religious basis of these pacifist arguments:
So far no police or soldiers are carrying lethal weapons. But once they do...
Again, Trump is looking for reason to use lethal force. As soon as any of the protestors shoot the police, he can invoke the Insurrection Act as per authority given to him by the constitution. You or anyone don't want to give him reason to do that and legitimise his deployment of force. If it comes to it, YOU wait to be given the reason to use violence on authority. You gain the moral high ground for not provoking lethal violence in the first place. Therefore, it is not pacifism. It's not pacifism to do peaceful demonstrations. Pacifism implies being completely passive and completely rejecting violence in any shape or form. It is not pacifist to both peacefully protest but being prepared if violence erupts. Violence is only the last resort. There is a reason why the court favours someone who was the first to be physically assaulted, despite that person being a complete jerk for being verbally abusive in the first place. You would to prefer to be the person provoked to self-defense, than be the provoker to someone. You lose the public court of opinion for provoking physical violence first. That public court of opinion will shift to the side of Trump if any of the protestors shoot and kill the police or soldiers.
Talk about completely not grasping the situation
Well, are you willing to go to LA and draw the first blood? Are you even aware what Insurrection and Posse comitatus acts are?
Yes. Too bad it would be for naught because people like you are afraid to hurt Nazi feelings.
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What does that have to do with anything?
Since you are so trigger happy, are you going to LA and shoot to kill the police and soldiers yourself?
I thought so.
shitlib argument ensuing
All talk but not actually willing to fire the first shot.
Again: how's your way working out?
How's your way working out?
If you think my way is not working, let's see you do your way then. Go to LA and fire the first shot. Shoot and kill your first pig.
Again: how's your way working out?
So far, no civilians have been killed? So I guess it is working? But if you think my way is not working, are you going to LA and kill your first NG or police?
No, your way gave us Nazis. For the second time in five years.
Then shoot a police or NG in LA then.
That's literally your job. You invited them.
But as usual you're gonna push the job onto someone else and call them the idiot.
I hope the fight takes you losers out also.
You are calling to draw first blood. Where's the praxis?
You stupid fucking doormat. Trump already drew first blood by sending fucking Marines against civilians.
FUCK you shitlibs are fucking retarded
Has anyone been actually killed on both civilian and authority though?
Go on. If you are trigger happy, go to LA and shoot police or any of the soldiers. You will just give exactly what Trump wants to enforce the Insurrection act.
yOuLl jUsT gIvE hIm wHaT hE wAnTs
You ALREADY HAVE you fucking dumbass
If you think the liberal way failed, you could start something new by going to LA and shoot your first NG and police and trigger a revolution. Do your praxis instead of all talk and acting edgy.
See, this shows how little you know about any of this. You dont go to the front lines. You hunt down their leaders in media scattered everywhere. You idiots always think you're supposed to meet an army on a battlefield. You're dumbasses.
Now arm the fuck up and go find a MAGAt cuck.
Says a lot what you actually value. That's not praxis though, is it? You claim that what is happening in LA warrants violence, and yet you are not willing to actually do what you preach?
Of course I am. Not much point in it though when you keep showing that you prefer having Nazis. After all these decades you still let Nazis be number one in media representation and in your government. Meanwhile every time someone says "let's fight back!" YOU always jump in with bUt tHaT wIlL mAkE uS oNe oF tHeM! And then you ban people like me.
There is no possible way for you to win this so do yourself a favor: fuck off and STFU and do what the Nazis tell you to do.
But you just explicitly stated you won't kill an authority quelling the LA demonstrations in spite of initially calling for violence against them. That makes you the person you just criticised. That does not make you an anarchist for chickening out.
I don't ban or block anyone. I am LETTING YOU do what you are preaching. Go on, go to LA and shoot any of the authorities to prove your praxis.
If you'll read back up this fucking thread you will see that it is YOU who made this about the LA front line. Your Sean Hannity tactic isnt working.
If you'll read back up this fucking thread you will see that it is YOU who first mentioned about LA front line and calling for violence. Your Sean Hannity tactic isnt working.
I absolutely endorse violence against Nazis. It would have kept them from taking control of America.