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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (15 children)

hackernews enthusiast tpacek is filled with incredulity when some friends won't join his new religious movement. This of course has triggered a 1200 reply long thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44163063

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 8 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Not high on the list of thought crimes, but a particular ick for me:

Also: 100% of all the Bash code you should author ever again

Why the bash hate?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

speaking as someone who uses bash all the time, it's a fully equipped programming language and you absolutely should not use it as one because it's made of footbullets. Use Python. For extra sysadmin flavour, make it a Python script that does all the hard bits with a system call to bash.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 1 points 11 hours ago

make it a Python script that does all the hard bits with a system call to bash

Oh god, please no. I have PTSD from 50-line Python scripts by anti-bash fundamentalists full of os.system, subprocess.run and/or subprocess.call that could have just been 15-line bourne shell scripts.

If you're gluing programs together, shell scripts are often the best way to do it. If you're not gluing programs together, do you even Unix? If you want to be fundie about it, obey shellcheck.

It sucks that bash is such a footgun. Perl was supposed to fix a lot of that, but now everyone hates it, because it also lets people to do clever and subtly incorrect things, which have then become quasi-idiomatic. Mom, can we have a sensible human-computer interface?

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