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So if you invade another country and as part of their defense of their country, their military enters your country, they're now the aggressors?
Do you apply that principal to all conflicts, or only against enemies of the West?
Huh? When did Ukraine invade Russia?
They invaded Donbas, who is allied with Russia.
So let me get this straight: if the US/Canada were hostile with each other, and the people of Alberta, Canada, were separatists that allied themselves with the US, but the Canadian government refused to recognize Alberta's sovereignty, you would support a full-scale, deadly American invasion of Canada?
What an awful analogy that misses any sort of context or nuance about the situation.
That's the problem with liberals like you, that you think things can be understood by imagining it as something superficially similar.
Do you understand what historical materialism is?
To be clear, to be a true analog the province needs to be an ethnic minority which is being targeted by the national government.
Say Alberta was the only majority English speaking province, and Ottawa started putting up statues of a Quebecois terrorist leader from 80 years ago who lead the massacre of 100k English speakers and allied with Hitler during WW2, then they announced that English would be banned from all government facilities including primary schools, and when Alberta tried to secede they sent Nazi paramilitary death squads to harass them and started bombing them daily.
At that point, if the US interceded and went past the Albertan border to attack other military targets in Canada, you would consider that a war of aggression by America against Canada and not them defending their ally, Alberta?
If America's massacring civilians in Ottawa and Toronto? Yes, of course I would. Any sane person would. Stay in Alberta.
You people call yourselves anti-war? I think you're the real liberals here.
What number of civilians have to die before your defensive war is an unacceptable war of aggression now?
Did the Allied counter offensive against the Nazis come in below that number? How about the Union during the US civil war?
You people are pro-war whenever it's convenient for you I guess. Those comparisons are out of line and clearly different as I already explained.
Sounds like you're the one who's pro-war whenever it's convenient for you. When it's not convenient, you just say "that's different!" And refuse to elaborate.
So you support America invading the Middle East when a hostile government oppresses separatists that ally themselves with the US there?
No. Why would I?
Because it's exactly like what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
So?
So what makes it different that you can support Russia's brutal invasion?
How did Russia invade the Donbas by putting troops in it after being invited? Please admit that the answer is that you actually believe the Donbas is Ukraine and don't care about its people's self determination so I can quit asking you this question that you have been dodging for like an hour now.
Show me where I said that.
You are bad faith, intellectually dishonest people.
Speak for yourself, you are the one trying to put words in my mouth.
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If I considered it justified for the US to enter the war on the side of the separatists, I would absolutely say that it is then justified for the US to invade Canada proper.