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[–] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 2 years ago (122 children)

How can a country intrude into its own territory? These separatists need to be put in their places.

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (90 children)

So let me get this straight, a group of people overwhelmingly wish to separate, and the government tries to prevent them from doing that, and you don't think that's imperialism? I bet you don't feel the same about separatism in Catalonia, Donbas, Kurdistan, or the Zapatistas. Classic tankie logic: imperialism good when done by purported "communists."

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Was the United States Civil War imperialism?

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The Civil War was imperialism but it was good imperialism. Fascist breakaways are a bit different: the Union taking over the South was infringing on their self-governance, but that's a good thing, Confederates were pure evil. It's like after WWII and Axis powers became occupied, could you technically call that colonialism? Maybe, but they needed to be.

If Taiwan was blatantly fascistic, genocidal, had slavery, etc. I would support China colonizing them... but they aren't. They're neoliberal (much like China), which is lame, but they're not a Nazi state. Remind me, who was the first in Asia to legalize gay marriage?

Your comparison is bad faith.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wait, so China is Neoliberal and fascist and state capitalist!

And here I was thinking words had meanings.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 37 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If Taiwan was blatantly fascistic, genocidal, had slavery, etc. I would support China colonizing them... but they aren't.

Taiwan AKA the Republic of China was founded as a settler colonial military dictatorship

[–] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And are they a military dictatorship today? Even when they were, they weren't a threat to world peace or humanity like the Confederacy or the Japanese Empire. By that logic do you think the US military should intervene in African military dictatorships?

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago

The KMT was certainly a threat to Formosans, and to leftists living in the island they'd seized.

If the Confederacy had survived the war as rump state in Southern Florida and continued to claim to rule the entire US South and in the mid nineties claimed to be a democracy and then finally elected a non-military president in the aughts, would you call the US imperialist for not recognizing the Confederacy?

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

Okay, that's consistent. Given that the modern incarnation of Taiwan was founded as a fascistic & genocidal settler colony, what was the timepoint at which a decisive end to the Chinese Civil War shifted from acceptable to unacceptable in your eyes?

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