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There's no drama here to begin with, I think that the mod acted correctly, and I think drag is being disingenuous.
The anti-AI messages were removed only if completely off-topic. Note how, for example, 9point6's comment is still there; it is anti-AI but it's still on-topic (see the pic).
The exception removed per rules 1 and 3 was this comment:
The comment is not just attacking the fact that the pic was made by AI; it's also calling the message itself propaganda and disinfo. That clearly violates rules 1 (socialist unity) and 3 (no liberalism), since the commenter is splitting people based on some tangential matter and attacking a message socialists agree with.
Not every political space is a space for discussion. Specially not discussions unrelated to the matter at hand.
Drag believes the mod's comment shutting down criticism of slop is pro-slop propaganda; slopaganda.
Gen AI has no place in leftist movements. It's owned by capital.
Delete it now
Tbh that just shows Drag doesn't understand leftism very deeply.
Drag edited your comment to make the tone deafness clearer.
Also, drag's pronouns aren't capitalised. It's a lowercase D unless at the start of a sentence. Drag doesn't want to be treated like a god. You're also not supposed to get into drama you're involved with on this community.
My retort to this standard 'ai has no place in leftist spaces' is pretty straightforward
I 'stole' a model that has now been fine-tuned on my own hardware, which is powered by solar.
I use this model primarily to write letters to judges for leftists, lgbt+, and street kids, to use when they go to court for small infractions. These will usually contain some old case law, some cultural references, and historical references, as well as the statements from these victims of a police state gone mad, and character references from their neighbours/community.
I am not a lawyer, nor a scholar. I live in the woods and maintain a mostly off-grid lifestyle. I do not have access to lawyers, or community spaces where leftist legal scholars might hang out. The closest damn grocery store is an hour away.
I would not have the time nor ability to source these cases, check on outcomes, and write eloquent letters tailored to each case, but I do have time to prompt my model a few times with the standard template I used to use pre-LLM and then check that any mentioned cases or historical stories are real before sending the letters.
I can say with certainty that 4 of those letters resulted in people going home free who would have likely spent time in jail for simply existing in a manner not approved by the state. And at least 3 more were a significant part of the judge's decision.
Dogpile me if you want. But if you shit on this usage without offering an alternative way to achieve the same thing I will discard your comment as worthless and not reply.
IMO - The small harm done by my local model is VASTLY outweighed by even one innocent person not being confined by the state.
Someone in this thread had mentioned 'We do not simply destroy the means of production, we seize them'. And that feels a lot like truth to me.
You're example is a good case of using AI well. However I think there is a difference between using AI to help with something, and using AI for the whole thing. I have no qualms with using AI to ease or automate the tedious work, but using it for the whole thing is gross, lazy, and often times scabbing. For example I love Romantically Apocalyptic. Its artists uses an AI trained off of his own art to speed up the process of making art for his books. The images are not 100% AI generated, and what is generated is made from his own art. This I feel is a good use of AI in art. A bad use of AI art is training a model off of other people's art and generating a whole image out of it. Until we live in a society where artists and writers don't need to work to survive, we can't ethically use AI to generate whole works using other people's work imo.
Sure but what is a good or bad meme is extremely subjective. Bad memes from an artistic perspective often do very well in getting the message across. I mean I sort of get what you are saying but I think there's a lot of subjectivity involved. If we look at the post numbers, the ratio is the same as earlier. +671 to -122 = so downvotes are only 18% of where the upvotes are sitting, which isn't bad considering all the brigading. And anyway, we have a good mix of different types of memes. Only a small handful use genAI. It's completely been blown out of proportion by a very vocal minority.
I wasn't talking about whether it was good or bad. I was talking about the ethics of AI. You didn't engage with any part of what I said.
I agree the ethics of corporate ai are problematic from an environmental and use case perspective, but not from a copyright perspective. Ethically, copyleft makes a lot more sense. Copyright only serves capitalism and is a fundamentally neoliberal concern.
I don't care about copyright. I am an anarchist. What I was getting at though is AI is stealing jobs from writers and artists, and so I was arguing the use of AI is scabbing.
I agree with you in the sense that that corporations are stealing jobs from artists by usurping content creators on their massive platforms and replacing them with highly profitable (because they don't have to pay anyone) GenAI images. That's not a problem with GenAI though, it's a problem with corporations and capitalism which prioritize profit above all else.
And the question of fighting for the rights of artists to rent seek an income based on 100 year+ IP rights (or whatever ridiculous number it is nowadays) is hard to square with a leftist position. Aren't we supposed to be against that sort of thing?
Wow, someone made a post encouraging people to come specifically to your community to cause trouble? You're saying it's not just people who happen to disagree with you, it's a planned movement? That's worthy of its own post. If you can show drag the incitement to brigade as proof, drag will be happy to make a second post or edit this one to talk about the brigade you claim exists.
The mod is not shutting down criticism of AI slop. Otherwise they would have nuked the whole comment chain, including 9point6's comment, and yet they did not.
You don't simply destroy means of production - you seize them.