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Lazy doesn't feel guilty about being lazy
Sorry, misread your comment; "laziness doesn't exist" is a decent maxim to go by in the current capitalist paradigm. Any time I've "chosen" to be "lazy", it's been motivated by a ton of other external factors, and amounts more to self-care. Any time I've seen a person or a demographic accused of "laziness", the accusation fails to consider material conditions. I will acknowledge the possibility of true laziness, but do not feel it is remotely a common occurrence despite the frequency of laziness allegations.
Exactly. Lazy makes up excuses like “there’s no such thing as lazy.”
I don't think that's intended as an excuse--it's reasonable when approached from the same mindset that defines racism as a systemic problem. Accusations of "laziness" are used to further oppression and exploitation of the working class; discarding wholesale the concept of "laziness" as a rhetorical device is a convenient generalization that can refocus the conversation on extant material conditions and the societal pressures around work and productivity.
I understand but I get annoyed with attempts to skirt all personal responsibility. But claims of laziness are absolutely used to exploit working class populations.
I feel--among the working class folks I have known--that actual attempts to skirt all personal responsibility have been far less frequent than accusations of laziness toward folks who are just burned out by life and work. I do believe that laziness is a prevailing occurrence among the wealthy, but I do not see accusations of it thrown their way often. When viewed in this light, fighting the concept/usage of "laziness" inherently protects the working class.
I think anyone from hexbear who says "laziness doesn't exist" still subscribes to "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need", and statements made should be viewed with that in mind.
Anyway, I bear no ill will, I just wanted to share where the "laziness isn't a thing" folks were speaking from. Carry on, comrade.
Yeah I understand. I feel like stating “laziness doesnt exist” though doesn’t help any kind of Marxist movement at all.
Idk that I can agree, but I can respect your viewpoint without agreeing with it. Personally, I'm a little too far to the "an" side of ancom to vibe with prevailing thoughts about the lumpenproletariat. Like, folks who want to just exist should be supported in that endeavour to any extent that it's feasible--and where not feasible, while not actively supported, they shouldn't be actively opposed or punished. "Lazy", with its strictly negative connotations, feels kinda punishing.
Though, again, I would support applying it to someone who seeks status and standing without applying effort; I just rarely if ever see it applied in that manner and would lean toward abolishing the term rather than engage in the effort to define it as such--which I suppose is lazy behavior by both definitions.
Yeah our opinions don’t really differ much save for some subtle nuances.