this post was submitted on 13 Apr 2025
79 points (98.8% liked)

Autism

7596 readers
119 users here now

A community for respectful discussion and memes related to autism acceptance. All neurotypes are welcome.

Community:

Values

  • Acceptance
  • Openness
  • Understanding
  • Equality
  • Reciprocity
  • Mutuality
  • Love

Rules

  1. No abusive, derogatory, or offensive post/comments e.g: racism, sexism, religious hatred, homophobia, gatekeeping, trolling.
  2. Posts must be related to autism, off-topic discussions happen in the matrix chat.
  3. Your posts must include a text body. It doesn't have to be long, it just needs to be descriptive.
  4. Do not request donations.
  5. Be respectful in discussions.
  6. Do not post misinformation.
  7. Mark NSFW content accordingly.
  8. Do not promote Autism Speaks.
  9. General Lemmy World rules.

Encouraged

  1. Open acceptance of all autism levels as a respectable neurotype.
  2. Funny memes.
  3. Respectful venting.
  4. Describe posts of pictures/memes using text in the body for our visually impaired users.
  5. Welcoming and accepting attitudes.
  6. Questions regarding autism.
  7. Questions on confusing situations.
  8. Seeking and sharing support.
  9. Engagement in our community's values.
  10. Expressing a difference of opinion without directly insulting another user.
  11. Please report questionable posts and let the mods deal with it. Chat Room
  • We have a chat room! Want to engage in dialogue? Come join us at the community's Matrix Chat.

.

Helpful Resources

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I just wanted to thank everyone for keeping this a welcoming and civil place.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've had to fluff up what I say to explicitly say "I don't mean [x], I'm not implying [y]", but I can't cover everything and so I still get hostility, it's very frustrating.

I've noticed that people (including me) try to build a mental model of your beliefs very quickly, so without much context to base it on they usually base it on stereotypes (e.g. nitpicking a science claim is the sort of thing a science denier would do, therefore you're probably that even if you just noticed a tiny incorrect detail and that's it). It doesn't help that over text, if you wanted to get that context and not make assumptions about others, you're going to have to spend a lot of time writing questions and waiting multiple back-and-forths for answers to inform your next questions.

Another thing I've noticed is that most disagreements online are arguments about something where facts are just pawns to be played to win. I'm sure most of us have seen this play out, and usually if someone gets obviously proven wrong they just pull out the next fact and move goalposts, because most people don't like "losing". So if you say something like "I think you're wrong because [x]", you look exactly like the people arguing who have an implicit agenda. And I can't blame people for assuming that, because if you give everyone the benefit of the doubt you lose sooo much time to the ~80% of arguers with a hidden agenda.

[โ€“] Australis13@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for the tips. I've been working on making things more explicit, but it seems that I still am not being explicit enough! It feels like being stuck between a rock and a hard place - on the one hand some interactions tell me that I have to spell things out incredibly simply and explicitly, as though I'm talking to a child, but on the other when I do that it annoys people and I get told that I'm being patronising or condescending.

I can also understand what you mean about people forming a model of one's behaviour very quickly. In a couple of the conflicts I've had, that much is very obvious and I can understand why they've automatically leapt to thinking I'm being dishonest/disingenious. Yesterday's conflict should not have taken that path, though, as these were established acquaintances and there should have been enough previous interaction to know that I don't intentionally mislead or present bad-faith arguments. Turns out that the reason I got accused of constructing a strawman is because what I thought was a blindingly obvious parallel to the issue we were discussing was viewed as completely irrelevant to the other person. I have no idea how they could not have seen the connection (the whole reason I used the parallel example was because I knew it was something they understood) and it brings me back to the issue of explaining things explicitly/simply enough without the other person then viewing me as being patronising/condescending.