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[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So... I should just lay down and take it? I'm not sure what point is being made.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The point is that there are other alternatives.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I support the alternatives up until election day when I have to accept reality and not throw my vote away. Truth is if everyone voted for their ideal candidate, we'd end up with 50 parties each getting 2% of the vote... There's always more ways to split. You have to compromise somewhere if you're going to vote at all.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then you don't actually support the alternatives.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then you don't actually care who gets elected

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If elections matter, shouldn't you vote for the person/party you supposedly support?

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You decrease the value of your vote when you write in yourself every time. Do you really have to agree with 100% of what anyone says? I'd have to write myself in if that was true.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No one is making the argument that you have to agree 100% with whatever politician/party you're voting for.

And where on earth did you get the "write in yourself" thing from, that's an even more ridiculous strawman.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You have failed to make any effort at explaining yourself so Idk why I should.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Believe it or not, but there are more than two parties that run candidates in US presidential elections.

This shouldn't need to be explained to you.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Of course there are. And if you want your vote to be useless, you can vote for them.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They'll win if people vote for them.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

More of this low effort trash, gtfo

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Our electoral system is trash, designed in a way that disproportionately favors groups willing to compromise and coalesce behind a single candidate. If we split the vote by voting our conscience while the "other side" consolidates behind a single candidate, we're at a serious disadvantage. The core issue is how the public is ignorant, or worse, misinformed and confident (made easier by ignorance). This is a failure of our education system, a system that's been declining for decades. Not a lot I can do, I was born into this.

As just one cog in the machine, my power is limited. If I see a close race between two candidates, with others trailing far behind, I'm compelled to compromise for what I believe is the better outcome. If you prioritize supporting a third party, or if you genuinely see both leading candidates as equally shit, then by all means, vote third party. We all have our priorities. However, I do resent being judged for making pragmatic compromises to cause some change, as mild as it may be.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The important thing is that you have a convenient excuse. Godspeed.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're just too dumb, it's ok

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Sure. All the best in your future endeavours.

[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That is certainly a take. Just do nothing about it I guess. People can never make a difference or do anything without politicians. You've already ceded all the power you have.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look for ways to pursue political goals beyond obediently punching a ballot. The billionaires don't control politics just because they vote harder. There's lots of ways to go about it but almost all practical strategies involve being a part of a larger organization. Unions are the most classic example.

[–] blinx615@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The unions are corrupted, too.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Many are, yes, but 1) be selective of what union you join, 2) you're union vote counts more than your federal vote. Usurping a corrupt union boss is a much smaller task than usurping a corrupt democrat and can yield far more results.

Freshly organized work places are almost always more radical than those those entrenched, so organizing your workplace now is more important than ever. Then you can pick which union to join.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago

It's just lemmy.ml taking a pop at the US so they can feel superior. Feel free to ignore.