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This isn't 'Right vs Left' (lemmy.world)

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[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, when they stop attacking us for believing in human rights, maybe we can have a dialogue.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Exactly, the issues we are diametrically opposed on cannot afford compromise. You can't compromise on whether or not trans people deserve to exist. You can't compromise on whether all school children deserve to eat. You can't compromise on the opposition of fascism, racism, and bigotry. These people can get on the right side of morality or they can get fucked and I'll tell every one of them to their face now that the other shoe is dropping on it. They have been offered the open hand of reason and discussion since at least 2015. They spat in our face for a decade. Now they get the fist.

[+] ambidexterity@lemmy.world -8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So to start a dialogue, ppl must agree with your premise that human rights exist? Or should we have a dialogue where you prove human rights exist?

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

The conversation has to broach:

Medical standards groups have our interests at heart even if medical companies do not
trans people exist and have a right to live how they like.
Children have a right to some self-determination, including figuring out their sexual preference and gender identity.
All people deserve affordable health care and affordable housing, regardless of their race, religion, or background.
Criminals deserve to be treated as human beings. Jails directly stand in opposition to that.
there's likely more that I can't think of.

These 'dialogues' are not about things the left can morally budge on, and they're insanely exhausting, especially when your opponent isn't arguing in good faith. No one is obligated to go through that social stress, and frankly it's probably easier for most to just physically fight right-wing zealots.