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Have you heard about that climate change thing?
Turns out having billions of people take trips in airplanes wasn’t exactly thought out.
Hmm according to Wikipedia, modern planes use about 2.25L of fuel per 100km per seat.
According to reddit, trains get about 2.5L of fuel per 100km per occupied seat.
Average SUV gets 15L/100km highway. Assuming high occupancy on a road trip of 4 people, we can say 4L/100km per occupied seat.
So assuming people will want and deserve to take vacations and go somewhere instead of sitting at home, encouraging them to take more flights seems like the most environmentally friendly option compared to the alternatives?
You are forgetting that 2 or so billion fortunate people aren’t entitled to a vacation in a warm region simply because they have the means. Tourism in its current shape is the polar opposite of sustainable.
Hmm I see, but if they vacation closer to home instead of flying to a warm region, aren't they more likely to drive? Wouldn't that cause a worse environmental impact per the math above?
Did you know that rice produced nearly as much greenhouse gases as aviation in 2020? Are you going to call on people to stop eating rice? Same goes for fish. And shipping. And landfills. And crop burning. And a bunch more other things.
Did you know that chocolate is in the top 5 of GHG emitters for food? Now only that, chocolate is collected most often by kids in developing countries. Are you going to call for a chocolate boycott? What about people's precious iPhones and Macs? Those unrepairable things that end up on the landfill when a Apple slows then down artificially after a few years? Boycott those, right?
Aviation is a small problem. Cars are a much bigger one. Take a friggin bus, cycle, or walk more. Residential heating is a big problem too. You don't need 25C during the winter in your home. You don't need a 10-20 minute shower. All of those will have a bigger impact than skipping on one or two holidays.
Eating is non-optional. There are no staple foods that have a zero carbon footprint, and rice is not exceptionally bad compared to other starches. Rice is roughly equivalent to aviation because there is a lot more rice-eating going on than flying.
Flying is optional for a lot of people. Most people don't need to fly, or could fly less than they do. Lower-carbon travel options are available for many journeys.
To put your figures another way- if everyone flew half as much, we'd save as much carbon as half the entire global production of rice. That's a lot.
Those are all great ideas and you should do all those things too.
Vanity trips I agree thousands of miles to stand in line to take a soulless selfie in front of a thousand year old temple and get food from an evil American corporate fast food restaurant in the same afternoon. Just stay at home it's pathetic.
How do you prefer to vacation? What brings you joy?
let people do what they want!
Take safety labels and requirements off first. Also I don't want to hear you removed when it finally directly effects you.