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Buy European

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Overview:

The community to discuss buying European goods and services.

Matrix Chat

Related Communities:

Buy Local:

!buyfromeu@feddit.org

!buycanadian@lemmy.ca

!buyafrican@baraza.africa

Buying and Selling:

!flohmarkt@lemmy.ca

Boycott:

!boycottus@lemmy.ca

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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) by qaz@lemmy.world to c/buyeuropean@feddit.uk
 

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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • Remove Brave
  • Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • Add GrapheneOS
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • Maybe remove Bluesky
  • Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)
  • Add ente because Immich is selfhosted
  • Add aurora
  • Add SearxNG

Any other suggestions?

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[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

Maybe add Signal; It’s easier than Element, but it’s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

If everything is e2e encrypted do servers actually matter?

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Delta chat is basically email.

and how is that exactly a problem? the protocol is email, but email done right is actually good and fast, as it can be tested if you actually try out the app. The new chatmail servers are optimized for chatting, the main reason classic email providers suck is because they have to deal with spam and arbitrary decisions like gray-listing etc

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Email isn't a good protocol for instant messaging (it wasn't designed for real time communication and it lacks some features like typing indicators or voice/video calls)

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 1 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

it is pointless to talk in theory without actually trying things out, besides the app doesn't have to do only email, in fact it already has p2p support for real-time that can be used for now inside the https://webxdc.org/ mini-apps, and might be used for calls in the future, or just use WebRTC for calls, one of the mini-apps in the store "Live Chat" already has typing indicators btw. The app already has Jitsi Meet invitations integration.

Chatting in Delta Chat with chatmail feels just as fast as WhatsApp, Telegram etc. sometimes even faster depending on the chatmail server you use

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Why would you prefer XMPP? Last time I checked most features (like E2EE) weren't part of the base protocol.

Delta chat is basically email.

It supports mail, but also has an encrypted normal chat backend AFAIK

Why? Because it's torrents?

Yes, it's not really a good alternative since it's illegal. I'm not judging but it's not a good option for most people.

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

Droid-ify is F-droid

[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Why would you prefer XMPP? Last time I checked most features (like E2EE) weren’t part of the base protocol.

Just because it is not part of the base protocol, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or supports it.

I like it for personal reasons. Just because is lightweight and there are way much more servers than matrix, imho makes it better. However, In the end it boils down to personal preferences and your attack surface.

It supports mail, but also has an encrypted normal chat backend AFAIK

WHen i tried it years ago, it was just a normal email with a special subject that the delta chat client would read, parse and display.

[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

WHen i tried it years ago

you should try it again, Delta Chat is totally on a different level than a few years ago, there has been tons of improvements, I started using it around 2018, now I am even contributing to it