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[–] NoxAstrum@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 days ago (24 children)

This is precisely the wrong approach. All it's going to do is generate sympathy for Elmo. One of the most basic tenets of any resistance is to be sure you don't make the other side martyrs.

It's too bad the crazies can't control themselves, they just harm the cause for the rest of us. I would love to see Tesla collapse, not because it's a bad product (I love EVs), but because Elmo deserves it. This is not the way to go about it.

To the person responsible: get help, read a few books, maybe you'll be able to avoid doing exactly the wrong thing from now on. You're not helping us, you're helping Tesla.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago (22 children)

I hate this fear of making the opposite side a martyr. I've been hearing it for arresting and prosecuting Trump for so long. People making that claim basically let him face no consequences and look where that got us. As opposed to "making him a martyr" and who knows where we'd be. At the very least, they'd have had to regroup and change their game plan.

We can't keep being paralyzed into inaction by the fear of "making a martyr."

[–] Juice@midwest.social -5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (20 children)

What a crock. I love this thing that has entered the discourse where, "disagreeing with me is advocating doing nothing." As if not shooting up a car dealership is equivalent to just letting fascists take over. Get a grip.

I'm not going to hand-wring about it, I'm not a pacifist. I don't advocate for doing nothing in fact I spend almost all my free time organizing, educating, preparing and mobilizing. I wish I did nothing, instead of watching the smartest, most committed and hardworking leaders in our movement burn out one after another.

What is shooting up a dealership going to accomplish? What's the political message? "Elon bad, break his stuff." Keep pretending that a single shooter will make a silent fart worth of difference. Anarchists tried this bitd, it was called propaganda of the deed. How many revolutions did it win? Zero. How many gains did it win for the working class? Less than zero because it justified the use of violence against leftists, and the huge swaths of well meaning but slightly backwards people who are conscientious and see what is happening to the world, can be turned against the left. The right will call us terrorists no matter what, but we shouldn't give them the ammunition.

The fact that you are so politically underdeveloped that you can't imagine any solution that isn't an individual committing a single gun crime should make you worry.

Who won the Russian revolution? Was it the Narodniks, the political terrorists? Or was it the Bolsheviks who were the political organizers? And before we litigate the atrocities of the soviets after 1921, let's not pretend that the Narodniks wouldn't have just handed political power back to the bourgeois and monarchists, wouldn't have become even worse. But you don't have to read thousands of pages of Trotsky and Lenin to know what happens to a country when political terrorists seize power.

The point is we need to organize, and yes, part of that means organizing workers militias and community defense. But a single half cocked act of terrorism is, at best, misguided reformism -- but usually it portends something much, much worse.

Believing that individualistic political violence is ineffective and arguing that it is counter productive is not doing nothing. disagreeing with you is not doing nothing. Don't pretend to know what you're talking about. There's a lot more to being an effective radical than just advocating for the most radical position. In fact, often the most "radical" sounding arguments come from the people who are the first to capitulate to power. I see no evidence that your position is anything but misguided, underdeveloped, idealist reformism.

Getting politically educated, as the first commenter suggests, is doing a lot more than shooting up a Tesla dealer ffs because it actually improves political consciousness. Political action without political theory is worse than a complete waste of time, it can have negative effects on our movement.

Instead you wanna go off like some right winger kicking down the door to a pizza shop demanding you and your gun are allowed into the pedo torture basement.

[–] Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Congrats on wasting your time writing this novel

[–] Juice@midwest.social 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Congrats on calling a few paragraphs qualifying as a novel, telling on yourself here homie

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Juice@midwest.social -2 points 3 days ago

I know, the irony is I'm criticizing people for not bothering to learn history and theory, and then you call a few paragraphs that I wrote in like 5 minutes "a novel". Please try and keep up, or actually contribute to the discussion, smart guy

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