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Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We've been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.
I mean isn't this more "circle jerking " about dismantling state propaganda? Interacting with those you were told are your enemy?
Besides, people should always celebrate the positives, and look towards them as something that is possible in their country too.
And as an fyi: when we were here before, the workers revolution in Russia was new. The achievements were so profound that workers in North America began demanding similar concessions from our governments. There was a real threat of overthrowing the existing power structures. And what happened? Weekends, literacy, healthcare, just generally improved living conditions. To dismiss cultural exchange as circle jerking is to ignore history and the power that comes with knowing things are better elsewhere, and that you can have that too.
Fuck yeah
🎶Couldn't look you in the eye 🎶
Niether Moscow or Washington, but somehow Washington actually
If what you're trying to get at is that whereas it is very important to unlearn the lies and exaggerations one was told about a country, that people also need to avoid replacing these lies with an overly simplistic and uncritical understanding of that same country, and that the current social media landscape makes it very difficult for many people to have the necessary nuance to avoid this pitfall... Then I would agree with you, but I'd also tell you that mentioning the eugenicists' favorite way of measuring "intelligence" is a very bad way of phrasing this idea, and that your standards of what counts as "circle-jerking" about a country are probably not nearly as inviting of nuance as you'd think.
100% agree. The IQ thing is a tired and lazy joke. I need to work on a replacement for that old jab.
Wow those sure are some thoughts you managed to have. Big boys and girl and gems usually like to talk to each other and listen. You should try it. Use your words. What is your critique of the USSR and why do you perceive "realising we've been propagandised about china" as being akin to a circle of people masturbating?
As a Polish person, if you say anything good about USSR without acknowledging it was shit stealing, people murdering, generation destroying piece of shit, I'd like to invite you to talk to some of the old people who remember, read diarys or fucking analysis.
Do you know they even decimated our fucking cuisine?
Sorry if you weren't implying anything positive about USSR, I have short fuse here.
I can lie about my nationality and make shit up too Mr FBI agent.
Also the idea that old Polish people are a monolith is bloody fantastic.
Why is it that every time I visit Poland there is fascist propaganda everywhere I look?
Maybe you should do something about that instead of whining about the USSR.
I'd love to talk to more old people who overwhelmingly say life was better under the USSR. I'd love to talk to more people who voted to keep the USSR and got couped into a hellish decade of shock doctrine.
Yeah the ebil gommulist came and killed your food I read it in the NED funded Atlantic article. Christ you, of all people, should possess some level of ability to realize you've been lied to. "Oh things weren't great back then, so that means it's actually good we have child prostitution a cratering vaccination rate and so much more". Or are we going to the route of how things got super good because of EU membership? Ah yeah that shit is going great. But yeah the USSR wasn't perfect, so let's just gargle all the propaganda we can get and whenever we hear anything positive then it's either just regular old person nostalgia or an uninformed westerner or whichever other excuse you can pull out of your ass so you can continue brain-deadedly glorifiyng western Europe. Nevermind the fact France still dictates the financial policy of several African countries, which is just the tip of a very very very large iceberg.
Sorry I just get annoyed when people talk out of their ass and think "I come from an eastblock country" means anything, as if we aren't amongst those who have been stepped on by the American boot most of all.
Shame on you.
What's your point? The west is shit? Not arguing here.
USSR good? Any old Polish people saying that? I'd love to meet them and check if they weren't high positioned in the Party at that time.
Edit: I wonder if a thought that some people might be missing USSR might be because of old propaganda materials ever visited you?
It’s funny that you think anyone cares about your opinion or your fascist shithole of a country.
I think it's so nice that this CIA propaganda LLM thinks any American has ever even had access to USSR propaganda, like the New York Times just published some KGB-written articles to make a few bucks with their spare paper.
TIL if someone's saying something that doesn't agree with your worldview then that person must be an LLM.
If the USSR apologist I was replying too had talked to old people claiming to remember USSR fondly, then either they remember the propaganda, or they youth fondly, or they were in the party. My grandma started remembering USSR kinda fondly when she was getting too old to function by herself.
And you need to work on your reading comprehension if you read my post as USA being affected by old USSR propaganda - I meant the (now) old people who lived then.
Wow, that must be a frustrating thing to experience over and over and over and over and over. You have my sympathy as a comminist on the internet, who could only imagine such treatment
Ooh, from your modlog history you've been banned from multiple places for glorifying Russian invasion on Ukraine.
Bye Felicia.
Glorifying, huh? Wow, sounds like a pretty cultisty thing to do, I'm sure you chose that word because it reflects the reality of what you see and not the very convenient reality you wish to project where everyone but the liberal is mentally ill and therefore self-evidently wrong
So let's see it: show me the glorification. After all, if it's cringe, don't you want people to see it?
I like how they'll go off about how commies dont listen are probably brainwashed by all this ancient soviet propaganda that was mysteriously not cited and then completely disregard others viewpoints when they make them go 'yikes that doesn't conform with the way I think'.
Sorry for run on paragraph
All good, I found it perfectly readable
How would you have survived Generalplan Ost?
The amount of literal
I see come out the mouths of Estonians, who are tied for Poland for being the biggest NATO-hitler-particle-collider fanatics in Europe, has only really made me more supportive of the USSR.
Btw, hoping that "Anus Walrus" dies soon,
How would you have survived Generalplan Ost?
How would you have survived Generalplan Ost?
"The Soviet Union liberated Europe from fascism, and Europe will never forgive them for it."
Idk everyone I know IRL that lived in the USSR speaks of it extremely fondly. Especially during the big failure to respond to covid epidemic.
lol someone tattled on you
Make a point you verbose idiot. You said literally nothing of enough substance to know what's in your little rat brain.
At least I can articulate what I'm mad about ya fuckin loser
Yes I am annoyed at someone making a stupid statement, proudly exhibiting their lack of knowledge and xenophobia. Why exactly do you think it is a bad thing to be able to be emotionally affected?
It appears that the general tone of this thread is an attempt at serious and jovial discussion, which entails empathy and taking each other seriously.
Would you rather not be taken seriously? Why?
Would you rather be treated with apathy? Why?
Holy 2005 meme. Hit them with a Nyancat next, that will really own them.
Sorry for being pedantic, but those foldable work rulers are exactly 2 m long (at least in MetricLandia), which is, incidentally, the span of IQ values (0-200).
So yeah, it literally can be mapped one-to-one to a (common type of) ruler.
200cm, the american one is up to 80 inches 😁
This is a common ruler where you live?
In my country we have rulers with 12 in/ ~30cm as the most common. We also have "yardstick" which is more often a meter stick now. But no foldable rulers.
Yup. There are like 3 types of rulers: normal (a stick), foldable (this) and those retractable metallic strips.
Sticks are usually either 15 or 30 cm, while the foldables are literally always 2m.
The coils are the most ubiquitous, but I orefer the foldavles for most things since they tend to fall undet their own weight when measuring longer distances. These sre either 2 or 5 m I think.
We have the coils too, except we call it a measuring tape.
We also have have a flexible soft version used for measuring human proportions for clothing, but it's called a "tape measure" for some reason.
I wish we had the foldable kind, that sounds useful.
Ironically the 2m folding rulers are called "inch-stick" in German
Yeah.
The 30 cm is ubiquitous for officework or drawing, while this is for tiling floors, doing plumbing, measuring walls, roofs, etc. etc.. There are also those retractable coils (usually 2 or 5m), but they tend to break easily and collapse under their own weight, so they're not as useful for some things.
I can find one like this in basically any hardware store with few exceptions (Austria). They're almost exclusively 2m in length (I literally haven't seen a longer or shorter one ever in my life)
Also, a meter stick sounds workable, but borderline impractical.