Market socialism examples are Yugoslavia and Poland in the 70's. Nordics have capitalism with (currently being cut) social safety nets, one of prime characteristics of socialdemocracy, ideology that do not promote socialism but capitalism with "human face", as Nomad said, based on Keynes work. Blair and his followers in many countries went much off even that into the neoliberalism.

[–] emerty@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago

Yep, I was wrong.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's not market socialism, at best it's called Keynesianism.

[–] emerty@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah you're right. I think it originated from Adam Smith? Vietnam would probably be described as market socialist

The Nordic model has social policies

Blair described his as an alternative to socialism

In the United Kingdom, Third Way social-democratic proponent Tony Blair claimed that the socialism he advocated was different from traditional conceptions of socialism and said: "My kind of socialism is a set of values based around notions of social justice. ... Socialism as a rigid form of economic determinism has ended, and rightly."[7] Blair referred to it as a "social-ism" involving politics that recognised individuals as socially interdependent and advocated social justice, social cohesion, equal worth of each citizen and equal opportunity.

[–] fomo_erotic@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

Sure they are.

[–] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You seem to have a pretty narrow definition of socialism. I think most people would not use the term as narrow as you do no matter what quoted text you are about to post in response.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh? Share yours then so we can compare.

[–] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

From simple Wikipedia: "Socialism is a political ideology that aims to make people equal. It generally focuses on equality of wealth (eg. similar wages, housing, education, healthcare), although since the 1960s, it has often focused on equality of power. It is normally considered left-wing, because it seeks to change society."

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

??? You seem to have not only weird definition of socialism, because it's totally not it, but even different wikipedia. Here's what it says, in the very beginning (your definition is nowhere there):

Social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. Which is basically as broad definition as possible, everything left of succdems fit right in.

For the lulz, i searched for your definition, and it had only a single result, here. Specifically, a comment down below:

Concluding, i guess it must be true, since the well known socialist theoretician BAD BOY BUBBY said so /s

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Bad Boy Bubby is a good film, though.

[–] Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 years ago

Encompassing a wide range of economic and social systems. that is simply what I said, but you seem intent on arguing a point you are not making.