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TIL there is an fediverse alternative to Discord (matrix.org)
submitted 2 years ago by PopBobert@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world
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About Matrix Matrix is an open protocol for decentralised, secure communications.

Matrix Manifesto We believe:

People should have full control over their own communication. People should not be locked into centralised communication silos, but instead be free to pick who they choose to host their communication without limiting who they can reach. The ability to converse securely and privately is a basic human right. Communication should be available to everyone as a free and open, unencumbered, standard and global network.

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[–] dragonfly4933@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Tbh, I don't think encryption matters that much for are usually public chat channels.

The private communication should be safe since i think the users will usually pin the keys for each other.

[–] SevereLow@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The problem comes from federation. You never know where your messages are synced to + what will happen if instances are defederated. Matrix might become something really cool, if it spends 1-2 years solely on security. Otherwise... it's just nothing more than an epic (and misleading) name + some IRC legacy vibes.

[–] caffeine@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But you do know where your messages are synced don't you? You can check your chat partner's homeserver. Or am I mistaken?

[–] ninchuka@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah, messages are only sent to servers that are in a room, so its very easy to see and know what servers are storing the messages/metadata

[–] caffeine@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And even IF a server is storing your messages — doesn't E2EE make that irrelevant? It doesn't matter if they store it as long as they cannot decrypt it. I don't quite understand @SevereLow's concerns.

[–] ninchuka@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

yeah thats another point as well, not all rooms on matrix are encrypted, it for example makes it pointless to encrypt public rooms that anyone can join

[–] ninchuka@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Rooms are stored on every server that's in the room and if a server goes offline even the one that created the room it keeps working just fine and no one notices