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I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don't think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i'm not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

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[–] Tovervlag 7 points 2 years ago

Allow rif or allow more customization for listview in app. I'm gonna stick around but only on desktop probably. That will be significantly less than my mobile usage.

[–] John_Coomsumer@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Step 1: A backpedal to their roots, openness and FOSS leaning development. Allow reasonably cheap API access that still gives them some money from the AI trawlers but allows 3rd parties to function, stop blasting me with gigantic notification on my mobile browser to use the terrible official app every time I view a thread (or even literally forcing you off the page period if its 'nsfw' content like elden ring threads, apparently??)

Step 2: Focus on genuine usability. The official app is DOG ASS. The "new" reddit experience is a nightmare compared to old reddit. Videos STILL don't load and run properly, after literally 5 or 6 years. Straight up embarrassing stuff for software developers.

Step 3: Take a genuine stance on moderation and content. Either direction; free-for-all where only the clearly illegal is removed, or tightly moderated with global rules. This current system is a completely broken mess, you'll get the_donald literally breeding terrorists in the open for years, but I can't use call another user an "asshole loser" without getting kicked out of a subreddit? I just dont think the weird federalist style subreddit system works all that well. Global, clear, enforced rules.


If they did these things I think I would return. The real crazy thing is that they could do all of these things and still increase profitability. If the official app was actually good, more people would use it, and the massive amount of calls home and data collection it does would be way more profitable. Jump on the bandwagon, make a reddit LLM chat-bot that is fed only on reddit threads, it would probably be genuinely decent. Or at least make reddit search work, you would siphon off a ton of google search traffic. you know. innovate, at all, even a little. The money would come in. But not AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE I WANT TO SCROOGE MCDUCK THIS SHIT levels, and thats what the ownership and (soon to be) shareholders will push them towards. So none of this will happen, sadly.

[–] sunny_@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I haven't been a redditor for as long as you guys have, being a teenager and all, but you can see the deterioration. It's strange, losing reddit. Feels like losing a friend but different. But they took the enshittification route, and I'm never going back.

[–] rubythulhu@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] matt@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not sure they can do anything - since I discovered federated platforms and started using more FOSS and non-corporate technology in my life, I am really glad to break away from it all.

I'm still on some platforms I'd rather not be (Discord), but the unfortunate truth of social platforms is that you have to be on them to socialise with certain friends/family, and encouraging people to use something different to talk to you is a non-starter for many.

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[–] palimpsest@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

Apologise to Christian for the slander. And that’s just to start.
No point listing the other requirements since the first one will not be met anyway. The most we will get it “I’m sorry Christian felt that way”.

[–] eggsandwich@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For a platform based so heavily around user content, they really seem to hate their users. Even if they went back on the API pricing plan, Reddit is just testing the waters for what changes they can get away with to become more profitable and corporate-friendly, and this is something I feel like they’re gonna continue to do.

Only thing they can do to bring me back is more transparency in what they’re doing, but that’s not gonna happen lol.

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[–] borlax@lemmy.borlax.com 6 points 2 years ago

There isn’t anything realistic they can do. At this point the damage has been done over the past 5 years or so and the API thing was kind of just the last straw for me.

[–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mostly left when they killed the compact UI. Only using it on my laptop from time to time.

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[–] sichtbar@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

Nice try, /u/spez…!

But seriously, I guess none of any further actions to try to fix the whole thing would change that bad gut feeling of being held as a fool that I now have. Mostly due to how they treated Christian Selig.

[–] kethali@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

At this point - nothing. I've been less and less happy with that place lately, and this is just the final push. Hopefully I'll find a lot of the same things either here, or somewhere else, or just not at all I guess.

[–] oakley@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Saying this as a current Reddit user so this is less of a "winning me back" list and more of a wishlist. Either way...

-Reverse API decisions, support 3rd party apps
-Make new design less shit
-Decentralizing. Not through blockchains or NFT trinkets but through open sourcing and federating with a network like this one. This was Jack Dorsey's plan for Twitter and this is why he funded the development of Bluesky. The plan was to eventually develop Twitter into a client for Bluesky, but he had to fuck everything up by pushing for Elon to buy it, which is a shame because this would have been the best ending for the platform. Reddit doing the same would be the best ending for it as well, but like I said, this is just a wishlist. Modern Reddit would never support something like this.

[–] zaktmt@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

I would like to see spez step down as CEO and have a formal apology to the 3rd party devs affected by the API pricing change, especially to Christian over the repeated attempts to slander his reputation and outright lie about him and his app (Apollo). I would like them to make the price more reasonable if they wish to continue charging for the API. I would also want them to make the grace period a lot longer (12+ months) to give 3rd party apps a chance to adjust. I also want them to not pursue going public. From what I saw, devs had no issues paying. But the pricing is just to price out 3rd-party apps from existing.

That being said, I think there is no way in hell any of this happens. It would take a literal miracle for any of these things to happen. And I just have a hard time seeing them doing the right thing.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 6 points 2 years ago

If Reddit announced sustainable pricing for the APIs, backpedaled on the NSFW limitations and gave a timeline to make the official app accessible for the visually impaired and apologized to all the people who have been defamed I could consider going back.

[–] Thor@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

Don’t think I’ll ever go back, no matter what they do going forward. The team at Reddit (or at least a good chunk of the “top dogs”) have shown time and time again that they cannot be trusted. They are slowly boiling the frog, and if they notice they’ve turned the temperature too high, they’ll lower it, and then try to increase it again, just more slowly than last time. They have been doing this for years, but this was a step too far for me

[–] rusticus@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I left Digg because of an INTERFACE CHANGE. Reddit is fucking over its devs and users.

Answer: There is nothing reddit can do to get me back. I didn't really like them when Digg went south and now it's dead to me.

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[–] MayonnaiseArch@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

It's too late, this is just the culmination of something that started a long time ago.

[–] Starfish@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago

open the source code and become part of the fediverse. reddit is stuck in the past

[–] headie_sage@fanaticus.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I agree with most of the other posters, I'm done with reddit. I want the community but I don't want the corporation. It's not that I find admins who run lemmy instances more trustworthy by default, but the decentralized nature make me think it can be more resilient and altogether a better experience.

Boy do I wish we had RIF for lemmy though 😞

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