Technology

Spez resigning and free API access to all third party apps as it was before.

Honestly though? Lemmy is reminding me of old reddit and I'm enjoying it so who knows if I'd even go back if this site keeps growing at the rate that it is.

Honestly, if the key smaller communities that I'm in on Reddit don't migrate away to another platform, then I don't know that I'll even fully leave. Assuming the site doesn't completely implode at this point, of course. For as many subs as I subscribe to, I really only find myself on a handful each day.

That said, spez has really soured my taste for Reddit with the AMA. I only really use old.reddit on desktop, but I've used mainly third-party apps over the years, like most people, I would assume. Even if they lowered API costs to be more reasonable AND third-party app devs decided to come back, they're still limiting NSFW access to third-party app API calls anyway, so a lesser experience either way.

At the end of the day, I'm going to be where the community is, be that here, kbin, or whichever one rises up and has staying power and growth over the next couple years.

I'll go back if Reddit:

• Makes it feasible for 3rd party apps to continue on the platform. This could be a revenue-sharing agreement, a set price that's not prohibitively expensive but still fairly compensates Reddit, a flat-out exemption from the Enterprising Pricing, doesn't matter. These apps have been around far longer than Reddit's own app, and provide tools (and general polish) the Official App has yet to match seven years in. They deserve to stay and to make a living off of their continued contribution to the community.
• Restores parity access to NSFW content via the API. It's essential for moderation bots to combat spam, it helps 3rd party apps stay afloat, and it serves a large part of the community. I get that Reddit wants to sanitize the site in preparation for an IPO. I get that advertisers are wary of NSFW posts. That's not an excuse for removing it from the API. The official ad-supported Reddit app will continue to serve up porn, and the currently proposed API prevents 3rd party clients from using ads anyway. Reddit is making a bad-faith argument that harms moderation bots' ability to do their job, and cripples any 3rd party app that isn't driven from the platform based on price (including 2 "accessibility only" apps they were forced to allow during the AMA).
• Apologizes to the Apollo dev for Spez's libelous statements, and starts a good-faith negotiation with developers to open access for things like the enhanced query system that the 1st party app enjoys, usage statistics that will help devs improve API request efficiency, and revenue sharing where devs can monetize using ads or any other method they choose so long as Reddit gets a cut.

Yes, these demands go further than a simple rollback of the new API policy, but at the same time they don't. Reddit's originally stated goal for this change was to keep 3rd party apps around because they add tremendous value to the ecosystem, while stopping the LLM training bots from getting off rent-free when they try to train their AI models off of our hard work. I love that goal. It's something we can all get behind. I just wish they'd actually do it.

But at this point, even if I go back it will be with one foot out the door. The dam has broken, and I plan to campaign hard for alternatives and switch to whichever one hits critical mass first.

I have seen Reddit make a lot of changes over the years that have continually shifted it away from what I wanted it to be. I have been hoping for a long time that something would supplant reddit, probably for most of the time I've been using the platform. If it is really still not profitable after all of that, then I doubt that they can make meaningful positive changes that I want and be in the black. So to answer your question, no, there's probably nothing they can do to get me to stop seeking replacements.

Reddit as an entity is just frustrating. Not just the recent debacle, but the pattern of getting slightly more awful with each passing minute. I'm hoping I enjoy my stay here well enough that I never feel the urge to go back. Unfortunately, it's less about what Reddit can do to get me back and more about what the Fediverse can do to keep me.

I liked seeing and engaging with unlimited new things with each passing moment. It would not be very satisfying for me to lose that. Time will tell.

I switched to Reddit when I made a decision I'm done with the big corpo like Meta and I deleted all my social media accounts including WhatsApp. I got Signal and convinced all my friends and family to do the same so now I have a fully functioning social circle there. I moved from Reddit to Lemmy now because I realised that Reddit is more or less the same - the answer to most of the internet issues atm is open source/decentralised services. So I moved here. Still missing a lot of stuff from Reddit though - mostly thriving meme communities...

Start with canning Spez. Dude's been a walking liability for them for at least the 12 years I've been on reddit, and everyone knew it back then.

I just deleted my Reddit account. I hope Lemmy and the federated system becomes a great replacement. I have found myself many times quite "over" Reddit. The community has grown polarized and has given way and voice to reflect some of the worst of humanity. I try to keep an open mind and compartmentalize the rest. For me that was the first strike. Beyond that, this move to monetize Reddit by taxing the community that made it what it is today just let's me know they have forgotten who they are and that without us they don't have a site. I'm sure some will continue to use Reddit. I won't be over of them and while I know I don't matter much against millions of users, but I know that many more than just me are sick of the same things and our voice matters. In short, nothing will bring me back. If someone is willing to do this to begin with, then they're willing to do it again.

Fire the current CEO and get a new one.

There is literally nothing.... I just used Reddit for r/nosleep. I'll live without it. It's permanently erased any goodwill it had with me.

They would probably have to drop their plans of going public for me to reconsider. Of course I know this is never ever gonna happen in this reality…

I really think at this point I am done with Reddit. The attitude Spez and the other admins showed in that AMA was disrespectful to users and mods. Reddit is just a platform, they don’t create content, and the mods work for free as far as I know. To give a big FU to users the way they did is all I needed to see. I am going to use Lemmy and continue to use Mastodon for better or worse, but so far, I am liking it more and more over here.

I think that the CEO would need to step down at this point. This has been handled completely inappropriately and he's ultimately responsible. Then they would need to rollback the API changes and approach that change in a more structure community lead approach.

I'm not sure if anything could at this point. The large amount of users has resulted in a lot lower quality of posts.

There is one thing they could do: Just federate with lemmy. :D:D:D

Get rid off all the trolls, bots and shills. I know that's nearly an impossible task, but I'm tired of seeing the same thing posted five times a month, good content getting hidden and people arguing for the sake of arguing.

Go back to being open source, become a non-profit.

Basically not gonna happen.

The profit motive will just recreate this same scenario no matter what they promise.

Allow rif or allow more customization for listview in app. I'm gonna stick around but only on desktop probably. That will be significantly less than my mobile usage.

They need to fix everything. I can barely report anything on the site without being banned for it. The admin come around later and fix it and apology, but because that's happened so many times, safety's first response is permanent ban which means I have to use an alt to contact them and get them to fix it. Despite the fact that they told me several times all the suspensions and warnings would be removed, they aren't. I reported something for being a duplicate a couple weeks ago (it was there was another copy on the front page of the sub, and it was one of their report reasons) and came back an hour later to both a permanent ban notice for 'report abuse' for that, and also the fact that my account wasn't actually banned because someone had come through and unbanned me. The site is bordering on being beyond repair at this point.

I am running PowerDeleteSuite on both my reddit accounts as i type this. My basic edit is that due to reddits api changes i no longer feel welcome, have moved to lemmy, and support the blackout. I will give a few hours to settle and then delete both accounts

Like relationships and jobs - once I'm out... I out.

Nothing. Literally, they just need to change nothing, to do... nothing. It is their actions that are driving people away. Today as of this moment, reddit is working the same as it's done for the past several years.

Then again, I'm defintely enjoying my time here on Lemmy much more than I was at this point on reddit. This feels more like the early days of reddit, where you have more meaningful engagements. You don't show up to a thread only to find 1,000+ comments, and likely one toward the top saying the exact same words you intended to say.

Either free access to the API for mobile app developers or allow mobile app developers to run adds to pay for API access at a price corresponding to the actual costs involved with providing the API access...

And fix the linking "bug" they created 5 years ago to try to force old.reddit site users to migrate to the new shitty reddit site by breaking links on old.reddit.

But neither of those will happen... and I'm actually happy about that. I've been growing more and more dissatisfied with Reddit for years, and if they decide to wreck it they can wreck it. I will miss what it used to be, but I won't miss what it has become.

If they made their mobile web interface usable, I'd use it on mobile. If they keep their old.reddit interface usable, I'll keep using it to some extent. I don't think either of these will happen.

I also think the vast majority won't care unless the moderation bots will be rendered unaffordable to maintain by volunteer mods.

I've been wanting a return to a distributed social web for over a decade now. Now that it looks truly viable, why would I want to go back?

All they need to do is make RIF not shut down. Whatever that takes. I'm not using their shitty app.

I think it is very healthy for huge social media platforms to disappear every now and then and be replaced by better things. After being on Reddit for 13 years I'm excited for something new; hopefully different in good ways. I think a federated approach is a huge improvement. I don't think there's anything they could do.

Bring Aaron Swartz back from the dead and put him in control

/r/Tedwasright in that tech devolves into a tool of abuse. Only thing I can think of it to keep innovating to outrun the machine