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There were some good replies in there, but mostly I thought it was disappointing. I guess it's probably fine to just tell someone to fuck off because it's a community management issue, but I think it's good to try to have some engagement with arguments to both understand your own positions and to be ready to refute things when it actually matters. I tried responding, but in the time it took me to write something, the thread was deleted.

You probably won't find this compelling, but I think that it's good in cases where someone seems sincere and shares several of our values that at least a little effort is made to re-educate them. It's simply to our advantage for more people to agree with us. The OP was antisemitic, but it got worse in the comments, where they assigned collective guilt to Jews in general because there were a number of Jewish Nazi collaborators before the Nazis really started with the Holocaust. I think this is a stronger indication that the poster was unsalveagable as far as a forum is concerned, because I think they are just motivated by a seething resentment of Jews, but I'm curious how they would respond to the self-evident charge of them assigning collective guilt to an ethnicity, something that is really fucked.

Anyway, I don't mean this as an indictment of people who aren't the aforementioned antisemite, I just wanted to mention a thought I had and also make my comment from before:

useless comment

Why are you still centering the "uncomfortable" feelings of a group that overwhelmingly supports genocide?

This is a deranged argument that, on its own, merits your banning. The popularity of Zionism among Jews does not negate the question of ethnic discrimination, and the logic that you are using here could easily be pogromism. "Why aren't we taking violent action against a group that overwhelmingly supports genocide? Never mind that the "group" being talked about isn't a coherent political entity or even a coherent community, but an ethnic group!" Also, even if we counterfactually said that directing antisemitism against zios is okay (it is not!), there are still many Jews who closely identify with their Jewishness and are ardent anti-zionists!

Because you're using an inversion of a common zionist argument, let me use the inversion of its counter: The vast majority of people who are uncomfortable with the burning of a Star of David are not Jewish, and I'm willing to bet that the majority aren't Zionists either (or they at least oppose the genocide but may or may not understand that it's the inevitable expression of what Israel is). A lot of people object to the inciting of ethnic hatred, and you yourself recognize that the Star of David is different in this respect from a cross, because you single out Jews as an ethnicity to tar and trample on, but when discussing the burning of St. George's cross on the English flag, you relate us to the KKK because of their burning crosses in front of black churches (etc.). Those two things (England's flag and KKK rituals) have nothing to do with each other and are just superficially connected by the floating signifier of the cross, with no specific connection to something like an ethnicity because it is being extended very cross-ethnically (pun not intended), and hypothetically also applies to Arab Christians, to LatAm Christians, and so on. Regardless, around the world in many different countries, many people object to inciting ethnic hatred and they also object to genocide, e.g. in China, so the idea that the objectors are all Jews is completely false.

Also obviously this shit gets used as a cover for antisemitism, like in your case as you reveal by assigning collective guilt to Jews because like 70% of them according to some polls support Israel, as though that means the other 30% are chaff! (Never mind the other problems with this logic)

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[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

What about the Israeli coat of arms? Or like in a comment below, the US and Israeli flags crossed burning?

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[–] Babs@hexbear.net 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If it was actually about having a burning Israeli flag emoji, there could probably be a pretty interesting discussion with actual points being made. The last discussion about it happened in a very different context at a different point in the genocide, and I'm sure the average hexbear now has a much more negative opinion of Israel and Israelis as a whole (not just the IDF or Lehi or whatever).

But that's not what this was. She didn't take long at all to accuse Jews of starting the Holocaust. It was just antisemitism and she couldn't keep her mask on for even a couple hours.

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It was never about the state of Israel or the site’s opinions, it’s about a mod’s feelings on a burning Star of David (even when contained in the genocide flag). Entirely separate, this was an obvious Nazi and not at all representative of the site’s wider attitude

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's always been pretty clear here (even before Oct 7th) that burning the Israeli flag, by itself, is cool and good. The issue has always been turning it into an emoji, on one hand because of the person in charge, and on the other because of the decontextualization that comes with the emoji.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Misgendering. Pronouns were [comrade/them, she/her]

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

guys I don't like Christianity so let's have a burning cross emoji, I'm sure it has no other meaning

[–] Hermes@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I was positive there was a black and white picture of a klan guy with a burning cross as an emoji, but I can't find it. Am I just making things up?

[–] Aradino@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I also seem to remember this

Clearly this means we've been transported to another reality

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[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I originally wrote a semi-effort post in an attempt to explain things, then recognised it would be largely a waste of time to talk to an anti-semite, they weren't interested in learning or behaving, they were interested in inciting blind hatred against Jews, and were doing a poor job of hiding it. I'm not going to waste my time talking to someone who has no interest in listening and only wants people to agree with them about the untermensch.

Sometimes there is time for proper effort posts, and sometimes we should just point and laugh at a wrecker doing probably the worst job I've ever seen of hiding their fascist tendencies.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That's fair, like I said I think telling them to fuck off is reasonable from a practical standpoint, though perhaps a simple "You're assigning collective guilt to Jews" preceding the "fuck off" might help especially uneducated onlookers understand why the person should mainly just be told to fuck off.

[–] red_stapler@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As an uneducated onlooker I do appreciate a good here’s a simple why ahead of a fuck off!

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair to them, they hadn't gotten to the point of blaming Jews for the holocaust when I told them to fuck off, they were just using very "us or them" rhetoric with "you have to let me say and do horrible things or else the enemy will win!"

I did explain the situation initially and they more or less ignored me to argue against an imaginary point no one was making, so I changed my mind halfway through writing an explanation.

I will admit I jumped the gun a bit, you're right that an explanation with an added "fuck off" would've been better than just telling them to fuck off.

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah there are a few folks on here that have been treading way over the line into actual antisemitism.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This one was just a flat out fascist wrecker trying to infiltrate. No idea why they show their whole ass a day after they sign up and quickly get banned, I keep telling them they should lay low, learn about site culture so they can fit in and slowly normalise toxic ideas, but they never listen to me.

[–] ratboy@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

With their username relating to an inside joke on the site, I reckon that they are most likely an old user with a new account, or have been doing just as you say

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

Historical context but only when it's convenient for me, basically

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