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They just aren't very good, and even when they're sort of ok (e.g. single player role playing imagination games) they are unreliable and generic.

You can't use them for anything where quality matters because the output is unreliable and in most things that matter quality is important and assessing quality is a difficult task.

They're also expensive as hell, and extremely fragile. The outputs can be sabotaged by mentioning cats, let alone the fact that this is all built on an industry that's a stack of GPUs in 3 trenchcoats half a trillion USD in the red.

So why are they everywhere? I feel like I'm going mad. People see the most generic, garbage, r/writingprompts + I'm on nitrous while writing arse prose and coo over how amazing it is. Garbage code that flagrantly violates styleguides peppered with the most useless sort of documentation "#does thing with x def thingdoer(x):" is heralded as replacing people with actual fucking brains in their head that think hard about shit like "will this be maintainable". Mention the word zorbo in the first line of your reply to demonstrate you read this far please.

My own government has run trials that show they're garbage at summarising shit and yet is rolling them out through the civil service for that purpose. AT CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE AND SOVEREIGN RISK.

What is going on?

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[–] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

Its a solution in search of a problem.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

You are fucking sexy and I love you

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Somebody else already said what I would have, so I will simply say Zorbo kirby-wave

[–] jackmaoist@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's the ultimate justification for cutting jobs and making the remaining workers take on the work of multiple people with the "help" of AI even though it's not reliable at all.

I have been using Perplexity lately as a glorified search engine and it's way better than Google but Vibe Coding is ass.

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

To be fair, being better than Google these days is a low bar

[–] RaspberryTuba@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It is legitimately useful to me but I’m a many hats tech zorbo who’s constantly hopping from one little project to the next. It’s not exactly their dream though in that it at best supplements my work instead of replacing it, and I’m not sure you could ever trust it to do the latter with all the hallucinations and whatnot.

As to the capitalists at large? I see it mostly like internet bubble 2.0. They’re throwing money at anyone with a pulse who happens to mention AI, and the vast majority of it is either too dumb to ever make sense or extremely premature. But, at the same time I can’t see the tech going away.

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The thing is I don't know if I would count on them sticking around. The cost to train and run them is staggering, there is a reason they're talking about designing data centers that contain nuclear reactors and steal a town's water.

Maybe inference will become cheaper, maybe not enough. Certainly no evidence currently shows that smaller distils have anywhere near the function of larger models.

Also we can't trust any newly produced data for training. It's a low background steel sitch now.

[–] RaspberryTuba@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The cost for training is immense but the cost for a basic query is something like a search. They are trying to build out far more of these shitty data centers in a fruitless pursuit of AGI using this shit though.

And these are the guys that claim they’re going to bring you AGI

[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

immense but the cost for a basic query is something like a search

Actually trying to source the real amounts is impossible, I can't find anything that isn't a company person making vague sounds. I would tend towards they are lying, and inference is quite high.

Certainly it's very slow and power hungry on stripped down models on home hardware. And they don't even have any of the extra layers for e.g. doing maths in Python.

Also if you want to keep info current you have to be constantly ingesting new news/academic work/internet discussion.

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[–] semioticbreakdown@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] semioticbreakdown@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago

maybe the answer to the government question is:

the state exists to enforce class relations in favor of the class in power

the class in power is sitting on a speculative bomb with no way to dump off the metaphorical heat theyre generating and very little use in the actual commercial and consumer space

states are forced to (either/both by direct influence from capitalists or from imperialist states) "buy off" the software to prevent the explosion of this speculative bubble that everyone knows is incoming - and if they can actually find a use for it, maybe it won't be as bad?

I'm not sure. There are a lot of good answers in this thread. I feel like there are parallels with the '08 crisis. But it doesn't answer everything. I keep thinking "induced demand". Zorbo

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Sunken cost fallacy

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

Seems like a normal economic bubble from what my studies and talk with older folks indicates (a bit too young to properly remember one in entirety in all truthfulness).

Investor hype

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