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Ring founder Jamie Siminoff is back at the helm of the surveillance doorbell company, and with him is the surveillance-first-privacy-last approach that made Ring one of the most maligned tech devices. Not only is the company reintroducing new versions of old features which would allow police to request footage directly from Ring users, it is also introducing a new feature that would allow police to request live-st

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[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago

Just another dang ol’ reson to keep tech outta the house. But honestly, the masses are dumbasses and I am not gonna talk to idiots as much as I can. I really do a a bunch of listening to peoples takes & observations. I’m fairly quiet and appear non judgmental. But deep down all the way to the surface, quietly, I’m like, ”That’s an interesting take”. If necessary, I could incinerate. However, I enjoy allowing people to explain themselves so that whatever questions I may have, are answered. I have to do less work. And that’s great b/c Ima lazy mf’er.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 99 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who could have guessed that having billionaire owned always on surveillance device in your home would lead to this

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I bought a cheap Chinese security camera for a fraction of the cost of a Ring and signed up for their cloud storage system. I'm more comfortable with the Chinese government being able to access footage of my backyard, than the current US administration.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Not too long ago, that statement would have sounded controversial or even crazy. Nowadays though, I’m shocked how much sense it makes to me. Never thought that I would agree with something like that.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

To be honest china is more likely to come to their defense than american police are.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah. It's crazy. I would choose neither because I can DIY something secure but for non-technical folks in North America today, the Chinese gov't having your video is safer than a private US corporation. I didn't imagone I could make this judgement back in 2022.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or you could choose an option that does neither. Why feed the autocrats at all?

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (18 children)

eh, you might have a spare day to source a completely uncompromised camera and find someone in a trusted neutral country who runs an unproblematic hosting service and configure a system to do offsite storage in a secure way, but I've got other stuff going on. If you can source me a reasonable alternative I'm happy to use it when it comes time to renew my subscription.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Just buy a Reolink Doorbell. Pop in an SD card. Put in on your wifi or LAN and access it with your browser. You're done. It's all local. There's an optional app that does need an external server, but that's optional and there is no subscription.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't know anything about this product, but if the data is just on an SD card attached to the doorbell, couldn't someone just steal the SD card? Like, this is why offsite storage for cameras is useful.

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[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Besides that I would trust a Chinese cloud way more than a murican one (I'm non-US), this really is a lazy excuse. This apathy paired with ignorance or being technically challenged is the main reason dystopian shit like ring even sells at all. Or all those silly "smart" assistants like Alexa.

Phrases like "renewing my subscription" in context of a fucking doorbell itself sounds so absurd to me.

E.g. A raspberry (or the likes) with some run-of-the-mill ip-cam, some wifi-doorbell and AgentDVR would do the same for even less moneyz. And just for you, not the whole world. Wouldn't take more than some hours of setup.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Phrases like “renewing my subscription” in context of a fucking doorbell itself sounds so absurd to me.

Why? It's logical to want your video footage held offsite so that burglars don't just take the device you're storing the footage of them on. Which means paying someone to store it for you. Which means a subscription. Even if you're running AgentDVR on an offsite server that you control, you're still paying money to the hosting company.

A raspberry (or the likes) with some run-of-the-mill ip-cam, some wifi-doorbell and AgentDVR would do the same for even less moneyz. And just for you, not the whole world. Wouldn’t take more than some hours of setup.

Wow. Do you have any idea what you sound like there?

(also, it's not even true on its own terms. A raspberry pi plus all the components and equipment necessary to set up what you're describing would be easily over $100, I paid $19 for my Chinese internet camera)

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 week ago

Why do I need the footage offsite? Because the burglar might've stolen the server/raspberry? I actually have my server storage hidden, if that would even be on the radar of a thief, which I really doubt.

But even if, an encrypted storage of your own choosing still beats random access by who-the-fuck-even-knows.

OK, granted, your 19-moneyz-solution is financially hard to beat, and probably no Chinese really gives a rats ass about your data. But even the thought that some random cloud-admin might just take a peek out of boredom...ugh. But OK, I'm a very private person.

A proper solution that does not suck probably costs a bit more than a ring (dunno what they cost though), but if one owns a house, one probably has a few spare hundreds or thousands for a secure surveillance.

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[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago
[–] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I mean, people are not being forced to buy this shit. So it’s on the idiots who think they have nothing to hide. Just Google something like “why are people ok with cameras inside their house “ and you’ll see many many people basically saying “don’t care, I have nothing to hide, everyone has a pussy/dick”

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

The cops can come to them to get video on you. So you’re impacted.

[–] ChexMax@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Right but if my neighbor across the street has one, my house is being surveilled a lot more than is theirs.

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