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The article discusses the links between traditional sacred practices and care for the environment and the world, and then asks about modern secular societies:

Where does this leave secular societies in which technological or policy-focused solutions to environmental problems are not working, but where identification with the sacred has waned over time? Can something as deeply personal and experiential as the sacred be meaningfully shaped by design? Could mundane, often thankless tasks — cycling, tree-planting, recycling — be reframed not as chores, but as rituals of care and connection that inspire deeper commitment to environmental stewardship?

And continues, pointing out sacred spaces don't require religious belief:

The sacred need not be confined to formal religion. While the Grand Bassin’s significance is rooted in Hindu mythology and practice, the orientation it reflects — a sense of reverence, moral weight and emotional resonance — can arise in many forms. Sacredness emerges wherever people set something apart as meaningful beyond its utility: a forest grove, a war memorial, a national flag, a moment of collective silence. What matters is not the doctrine behind it but the way it shapes how people think, feel and act.

Of course, one might ask whether it’s even possible to promote rituals of care in the absence of care itself. Wouldn’t such efforts ring hollow or fail to resonate with those who feel disconnected from the natural world in the first place? But this is precisely where sacralization matters most. Sacredness does not only emerge from what people already revere — it actively helps generate that reverence. Rituals can bring people into a different frame of mind, one in which meaning accumulates through repetition, symbols take on weight and ordinary acts begin to feel purposeful. If environmental stewardship is to take root, it may not be enough to wait for people to care. Sometimes the path to care begins with practice.

Ritual helps people to care. Ritual, to put it another way, helps create empathy. And the natural world could definitely use some care and empathy these days.

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[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think the reasoning expressed here is taking the wrong approach. The type of person in most need of convincing that we should consider ritual as an important (if not outright necessary) tool for changing society (especially if it's to "save" the environment) is the type of person for whom:

  1. ritual is responsible for everything wrong with the current state of the world
  2. the ends don't justify the means
  3. indigenous practices are something to be "sifted through" with modern science to keep the "actual" and discard the "frivolous"

To convince such a person (for whom I expect Carl Sagan's words on science being a "candle in the dark" deeply resonate), I think it would be much more productive to talk about how we came to care so much about democracy and human rights given neither are, to my knowledge, falsifiable.
The acts of voting and holding an election are deeply secular rituals; we imbue them with power by performing them, and we perform them because we view them as imbued with power (specifically, the power to confer legitimacy on the decision made by their own outcome). Similarly, writing down on a piece of paper that human beings should be treated on equal footing has been effectively ritualized[0] to help convince others - including those born long after the paper was written on - that we should act as if it were true, despite any evidence our senses may provide us for the contrary.
A third, even more mundane example of a secular ritual is when two parties sign a contract.
A fourth, much more fun example of a secular ritual is gift-giving on certain significant moments in time - birthdays, anniversaries, Christmas.

I would wager this hypothetical reader-in-need-of-convincing thinks all four of these rituals are good - for them, for everyone, and also just plain Good. They don't need to be scientifically proven to "work" so much as they need to be scientifically "cleared of harm" - we don't give up on contracts just because they can be used for harm, we pass laws so that we can ignore and/or annul any harmful contracts that might otherwise take effect. Similarly, maybe we can make "coexisting with the environment" sacred without involving notions of heaven, hell, or any sort of higher power. We certainly seem to want to treat human rights as sacred, even though that isn't a perfect approach either.

In any case, I would have been much more receptive to this line of reasoning back when I would have dismissed the article itself as not-that-deep and somewhat fetishistic.

[0]: both by repetition and by continued transmission of reverence. Not only have there been multiple signings of declarations of human rights over the years, many of them were directly inspired by previous one(s). From the USA's "bill of rights" to the French "Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen" to the UN's "Universal Declaration of Human Rights", most continue to be taught about in Western education as being important milestones for society as well having a net good impact on us.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 1 points 8 hours ago

Just as we are creatures of habit, we are creatures of belief. Ritual is belief + habit + (ideally) intent.

To be clear:
I don't argue for abandoning objective reality, but rather that the path to there, from within our own minds, will need to incorporate rituals on some level. The scientific method is really just a very specific kind of ritual. Let's lean into all of our strengths as human beings, not just our capacity for reasoning.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As an animist I recognize and respect the sacredness of all that is, as a former skeptic this notion would have made me deeply defensive a few years ago, and even now I still find myself resisting to anything I perceive as prescribed group practice. My own experience makes me wonder how others who haven't reconnected to landscape yet would perceive such an idea.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

As an athiest not exactly defensive but more like, how about we appreciate it without the mumbo jumbo. I can't see making cleanups and such mandatory but I love them as social activities. If I can walk my dog and socialize with folks and cleanup a nice natural area thats like a triple win.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Mumbo jumbo sounds very defensive to me. It's strange how people get quite angry or at least really dismissive when you mention anything that is beyond the commonly accepted mainstream science - even when there's no direct harm done to them by people talking about it. It's also strange when you find out how many actual scientists are animists or carry some sort of spiritual belief.

When you get deeper into indigenous philosophies (branded since the times of enlightenment as superstitious mumbo jumbo) you often find belief systems that are incredibly pragmatic and would solve many of the social and environmental problems our rationalist thoughtscape has brought about, but our Western supremacist education makes it difficult for us to accept how much we could gain by opening up to it.

I became an animist after reading about the concept of Wendigo, and then applying the scientific method to indigenous belief systems by just acting as if they were true and finding out what happens in my life. For a brief period after the landscape and my ancestors were starting to speak to me I wasn't sure whether I was descending into psychosis, but ultimately the results of listening to these voices and taking their guidance were more sound than continuing to follow the un-guidance of Western rationalist culture. At the same time I met quite a few people who were going through the same changes of mind. There seems to be an interesting process going on that brings more and more people back into a connection and relation with non-human life (animals, plants, rivers, mountains, ancestors ...) and those who open up to it are usually those who I consider working for positive improvements (social justice, environmental issues), so I consider them my family.

The very first opening up, even before reading about Wendigo, was by me being a pet owner and having some experiences with my horse that showed a depth of soul I could not continue to dismiss - so maybe you want to ask your dog about what they think about the mumbo jumbo? ;-)

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 1 points 8 hours ago

Thank you for that link, it was really helpful.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 16 hours ago

pfft. Certainly. Defensive of my time usage and boredom. How about everyone spends an hour going through a 6 minutes on the top ten most popular beliefs. As I said as long as I know I can just come after or skip it if its placed after. The main thing is to identify when the real thing begins and when the fluff takes place. Better for it to be after so that you don't come and get the people who are like well the fluff started late so we still need a few for it. The main thing is respect. Let those who want ceremony to break into whatever groups represent their particular ceremonies with dedicated time and let those who don't want that part to skip it.

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How would you feel about purely secular "mumbo jumbo" ceremonies meant to encourage care for the environment? Like, for example, an organized moment of silence before or after a cleanup (to stop and think about the natural area you're cleaning up, listen to the birds/bugs/water, whatever)?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

boooooooorrrrrrriiiiinnng. lets just get to the cleanup or I can just arrive after the bs or leave once it starts depending on the front/backend.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 days ago

Yeah... Just what humanity needs: more superstition. 🤦🏼‍♂️