That's the weirdest part of trying to change the "system of science." It's not a system, it's a process, it's rigorous, controlled, and peer reviewed.
What Hitler enabled was psychopaths being allowed to practice torture and murder.
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That's the weirdest part of trying to change the "system of science." It's not a system, it's a process, it's rigorous, controlled, and peer reviewed.
What Hitler enabled was psychopaths being allowed to practice torture and murder.
When he says "the scientific system," he's talking about the institutions we have in the US that educate, employ, conduct research, and/or fund people conducting science. I guess I thought it was obvious he's not referencing the scientific method
Oh boy I'd love to hear Donald J Trump's exact thoughts on the scientific method. Every damn thing he's has to say about it will be absolute gold.
He would just parrot whatever the last person he spoke to said about it.
If he didn't talk to anyone about it beforehand, he would just talk about how "beautiful" our scientific methods are.
“My uncle was a scientist at MIT, so I think I know science better than most people. Also, magnets stop working if they get wet.”
Magnets, how do they work?
I can give it a try.
We're going to make America great again. Not great, VERY great. Tremendously great. Great economy, great people, great science.
Science today, it's not great. All these WOKE theories and hyperthees. That's not science, that's wasted money. The scientists today, they take our money. They give it to Harvard, woke Harvard. Spend it on DEI, not SCIENCE. They're cheating, taking advantage of HARD WORKING Americans. We don't pay them to ask questions. I KNOW science, that's NOT science. We tell them to do science, they don't DO science. They do SOME science, then they do it AGAIN, asking for money. That's FRAUD.
Even then, it will just slow research down and set us back. Scientists won't stop sciencing, and it certainly won't lead to discoveries they want.
The system they're describing helps but the people are the ones that matter, not the institutions.
My point is no matter their approach, they will not be able to control the outcome of scientific research. The anti-intellectual fails to understand this. It's the whole of their being.
In the global long run, yes, you're right, however the point here is comparing what happened in Nazi Germany to what's happening now in the US. It's not about Trump's America trying to get "the discoveries they want," it's about eliminating objectivity and punishing party-line dissenters. They don't actually care about science at all one way or the other, they care about political control
Some of us remember the damage that Bush's stem cell research ban did and how it set the world back decades for literally no reason whatsoever.
This is going to be so much worse than that.
Yeah, that is exactly what they're trying to do.
Thank you. Finally, a post that reflects what science actually is. I am do sick of people saying "Science says..."
So, literally exactly what was promised. In excruciating detail.
It’s mind boggling how Trumps policy is twisted positively so relentlessly. There’s so much deciphering of “oh he really means this writes an essay.” No, his platform means what it says.
Then people are shocked when it happens!
Nobody took Mein Kampf seriously either.
Every platform I have warned about the alt-right rise since 2014 has absolutely buried me in downvotes, bans, and months of harassment
You fuckers get what you deserve, next time listen
If you're too stupid to understand basic science and too proud to admit it, then this is the course of action that you follow.
Adrian Tchaikovsky is famous for being a prolific science fiction author.
He should also be known for his disturbingly accurate prediction of current events. I keep reading his work then finding the backstories becoming more realistic (and not in a good way).
Psychopaths, sycophants and grifters vying for power were all very prevalent at German universities and research labs at that time. While Engineering still kind of worked - as it was needed for the war machinery and larger industry - even there, with it being "politically neutral", there was a brain drain - because education allowing for creative thinking was curtailed more broadly, and many talented minds were killed or displaced or even just disfavoured in favour of more nepotistic choices.
And the myth of "German engineering" being fundamentally way above allied engineering during the war still holds in some circles, when mostly it was about different priorities (like - reliability instead of complex engineering, or the proximity fuse instead of rocketry, or radar instead of jet engines), and even in the spaces where Germans had a leg up on their enemies, it was not a fundamental advantage, but a gap that was being bridged even before German scientists were recruited after the war.
As much as history was distorted, the Nazis regime still fancied itself as secular and intellectual, right?
This one seems to view the scientific establishment as a distrusted obstacle, corrupt. There’s not even the pretense. Demolishing “woke” science is the stated point.
Sort of, they also had weird currents of esoteric nonsense, like "Welteislehre" for example. Or Himmlers expeditions to Tibet to find the origins of the master race and evidence of supetnatural abilities. They believed themselves to be secular and anticlerical, but they had their own cult with superstitions.
And they absolutely hated some scientists, relativity was a thorn in their eyes, for example, as "Jewish Science".
That's fascinating. I vaguely knew of the superstition angle, but not specifics or the extent.
There goes my afternoon, thanks.
But it does remind me of similar issues in other countries. China, for example (not to single them out) has issues with Eastern Medicine culture conflicting with scientific practices, right?
Luckily the reality that science attempts to measure doesn’t care about politics and will still exist no matter what he says. What it does mean is that it’ll be discovered in another country and the US will grow more and more isolated
Unfortunatly science is influenced by politics and ideology. Scientific research rely on funding by political and ideological funders
Those of you that paid attention during the evolution and creationism (the round 2) fiasco should be familiar with what's going on right now.
I remember during the GWBush years they tried this whole "put the 10 commandments in classrooms" thing, and they quietly pulled them after students started applying those 10 commandments to their teachers, religious leaders, parents, politicians...
They don't ACTUALLY want these kids learning the Bible because the Bible teaches love and generosity.
Thing is I think W was naive enough to kinda believe in that stuff. The bunch in charge now don’t at all, but they want the idolatry and compulsory indoctrination by coercion.
we were there with intelligent design as well.
This has been the longest and most tiring 6 months I've ever experienced
Brain drain is real and researchers in the US are already moving to other countries. Take for example France is enticing Nuclear scientists from the US for the fusion research project. History is definitely repeating itself.
History is written by the winners. Our current history is being rewritten by a crybaby, selfish, nazi.
I say let them.
Iran was a progressive country once too and look how it is now. Also look at it's power nowadays. The US wants to be Gillead from the handmaid's tale? Then go ahead. You'll be a third world country, unable to feed your own population, within a few years.
Good luck
it was progressive, until the USA backed the shah of iran, which turned into islamic state because of the USA meddling.
Very correct. It's just weird to see them now doing the same to themselves.
I get the mass murdering and deporting immigrants and such (definitely not agreeing with it, but I get it, imprison, torture, and murder your enemies for your own good)
I don't get the rejection of science. This WILL destroy the country in loads of inventive and not so fun ways. It's plain dumb, but here we are.
I'm not sure I've detected an ideology on the right. They seem to be the most idealess people to have ever been pussyshat.
Yeah, uhmm... I'm pretty sure - checks notes - yeah, that's actually the exact opposite of how science works... Thanks for playin, tho!
good, nothing would destroy the USA harder in the long term
Are these guys just now figuring this out?
Then, a few years from now they will continue to ask why they need to continue to import their scientists from other countries.