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the same way you find text in nearly every fucking document, browsers aren't special

This is me now, except the clouds are aws, azure, and gcloud.

I worked IT for two different school districts. The kids tech skills are seriously lacking.

It's seriously basic stuff like not knowing what a url, folder, directory or path is, not knowing that files are on the computer in a folder someplace instead of in "such-and-such app", no concept of how to even begin troubleshooting and something like a genuine fear of anything that is not an Apple interface.

The kids had windows laptops that they would use for school work but then I would find them composing everything on their iPhones only to email it to themselves and then submit it from their Windows laptops.

Things like attaching files were a real chore for people that don't understand file systems or sizes, and it doesn't help that many of their teachers are similarly lacking the computer skills necessary to understand where these kids are falling off.

I worked in the IT department, but I spent a lot of time talking to teachers. Several of them brought me into their classrooms to teach 'curiosity skills' since I think the computer can often teach you how to use it if you're just curious enough to try.

Oh, they can use them alright, limited to the ways they've seen. That's short version, here is a longer one:

Well, I don't have kids flying homemade drones at the park, and highly doubt that, say, devs behind Lutris are in diapers. But what I do have is this: https://lemmy.world/comment/17328375 (browse down to @Lightor comment). That goes along with continuously degrading UI (hello, the marginal user tyranny https://nothinghuman.substack.com/p/the-tyranny-of-the-marginal-user), the fact that Microsoft and Apple are still not sued to the ground with all the bullshit they pull off. These wildly unrelated points all fall in line with my personal feeling and general sentiment that percentage of people who know some very basic things about computers is going down. Don't give me that "I don't see it in my surroundings, so that's not happening" shit

Us millenials are going to become the next boomers. The other generations around us like genX, zoomers and genA are comparatively smaller than the millenial generation, substantially so in the UK where I live.

Can't wait until my peers and I capture the legislators and start redirecting all of society's resources into our interests.

Edit: Already drafting comments to leave on the comments section of major newspaper articles about how genA need to pull themselves up by their bootraps, stop enjoying avocados, and cultivate some "stick-tuitiveness" (sub in other made-up phrase here).

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I mean if you work in the industry you would absolutely see a rise, a significant one, in people generally inept at the technical requirements of their jobs that’s factual not “ignorant horseshit” - it’s not that young people can’t learn this stuff it’s that young people grew up in, and are still in, an environment that doesn’t foster learning of these skills or independence at a more personal level so those learning through traditional education are being failed by the system while simultaneously being given tools to make self sabotage easier than ever before and the values that tell people to seek out and do things on your own are quickly going extinct. If someone can’t do something, especially at a wide scale not like one individual who didn’t pick up a skill or something, this is a system problem and yes there are significant systemic problems young people are being faced with in their personal and professional/student lives acting like “that’s ignorant horseshit” is just denying something is wrong, it’s advocating for the status quo, something is wrong, young people are being failed and unless we acknowledge this problem we can’t address it

The divide is that zoomers don't NEED to understand technology. They instead default to learning the fluffy user interfaces. Older users were required to know the basics of file systems, and even touch on command line operations just to get by.

Modern kids aren't required to learn that. They are perfectly able to, but no longer required to. We currently have a lot of newer "mechanics" that are perfectly good at driving, but didn't really notice there as an engine thing up front to look at.

It creates a binomial split. Many don't notice the youngsters quietly getting good. They do notice the increase in idiots out of their depth due to overconfidence.