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[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Why do I need to put guard rails on things? People can just choose to not fall off. All people are perfectly rational/knowledgeable and other physical pressures do not exist, so people must want to fall off of cliffs!

[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There actually is no way to change this. We can't do anything about it because we're just too stupid. People create systems of violence, and there's just nothing that can be done to help that because there is no way to change that. No sir, no way at all. It's pointless to even try.

We are all sinners filled with sin so anything that we do is bad. There is no hope. Your grandmother is a virus actually.

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[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah I know what you mean man. I gave a bunch of children some knives and the one with the biggest knife coerced the others into hurting a bunch of people. They still would have found a way to do that without knives! Don't you know that rocks exist?? Them having knives is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the outcome!

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Redirecting blame attributable to human foibles to an abstract concept like “capitalism” is shortsighted and self-defeating. Analogously, the problem over the last 10,000 years hasn’t been slavery (the concept); the problem has been slavers (their ignorance, psychopathy, and greed).

There’s no period in human history when people weren’t unfathomably stupid, because people are literally just animals (and many would happily end the world in order to get access to cheeseburgers). They make bad choices because the average person is not capable of moral deliberation. All hyperbole aside, this is an actual empirical fact.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (10 children)

if the structure of society is set up in such a way that practically every action I need to take to keep myself fed and sheltered ultimately contributes to climate change, then it's fucking inane to say it is the fault of individuals being stupid.

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[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Plenty of bacteria and viruses are beneficial, and contribute to the overall health of their hosts.

If humans are diseases, then it is because through learned behaviors that we act in a deleterious manner towards the overall ecosystem. We are entirely capable of shifting those behaviors, of creating social structures that select for behaviors that promote co-existence and symbiosis with that ecosystem.

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are some symbiotic bacteria, but I'm unaware of any beneficial viruses. Their entire nature is to hijack cells to replicate themselves, typically resulting in the eventual death of the host cell.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Researchers are looking into bacteriophage that infect gut bacteria. It seems that over time, the viruses select for and introduce genes to bacteria that play nice with our intestinal health, rather than run amok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbvAaDN1bpE

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Who do you think made capitalism? Space aliens?

[–] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If I'm not mistaken, Marx describes capital as "dead labour". So, to answer your question: who made capitalism? Vampires, zombies, liches. The undead.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Marx certainly didn't see capitalism as merely metaphorical. Marx recognized that capitalism existed in material reality, that it was a system constructed and operated by real, flesh and blood human beings.

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[–] thepenismightier@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Idk if we're gonna have fascism we might as well have eco-fascism.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

except eco-fascism isn’t "fascism but we save the planet! :D" it’s "fascism but to justify the genocide of brown people we add a bit of green sprinkles on the white supremacist rhetoric"

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 3 points 2 days ago

But also we could have neither, fascism isn't a fatality

[–] RockBottom@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago

Also kings, gods, holocaust, slavery asf. So, we have to remind ourselves that we can take back anything we thought up. If humans are the problem it’s those that say we can’t do that.

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