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Like y'all keep posting about it, praising it, giving it free advertisement, and what not.

But the dev is a fascist, the discord server is a fascist bar, and the project thus is fascist.

I've met people who were harassed, I browsed through now deleted messages of Vaxry using slurrs and more.

So I wonder is if the people who post constantly about it know and are complicit, or just don't know and would act otherwise?

It gets tiring to see the project be given "fame" when I know the roots of the plants are founded in toxicity & abuse.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)

After reading a lot of the material I am not convinced the hyprland dev can reasonably be called a "fascist".

It's an interesting story, though.

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[–] simontherockjohnson@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Vaxry is not a very smart guy. He originally got a wrist slap by FDO saying don't do your toxic shit here. Then he followed it up by going postal on the FDO mailing list. Then he put up a blog post where he was like like "SJWs are coming for me".

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-inclusiveActivists

The entire argument is that you can't make an exclusionary space for people (no definition of what that means) but you should be able to call them slurs. Who would want anything to do with him? He should have gone full tilt and made a list of slurs you should be allowed to say beyond just arguing for the R-slur. That would have really convinced people he's not an extremely toxic right wing weirdo.

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

This was his non-apology where he says "lets be real" a lot which is a common way of just ignoring a criticism and then he follows it up with, I should have banned that user instead of doing what I did.

Asking for professionalism in the OSS community is not a huge deal. It's also quite literally not even about the code AFAIR Drew Devault is still taking Vaxry's patches. He just doesn't want him in the community starting shit with people.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The "paradox of tolerance" is a concept I love to bring up time and time again.

No tolerance for the intolerant, lest intolerants take over tolerant spaces and turn them intolerant.

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Im looking forward to the full release of cosmic as I dont want to keep using hyprland. Sadly theming is incomplete and it'll be a while before good themes get released.

[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I thought this was going to be a new article or news, but it's from April 9, 2024.

I think this situation has been picked over and rehashed now to the point where anyone who was going to change their behaviour will have already done so. If there is no update on the situation then all I see is you dragging up drama from a year ago.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't remember hearing about it before. I might have, but even if so the reminder is helpful.

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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't care, i care for the tech. I don't need to make friends with the devs of the tech nor give them my money.

They have different political views than me, yes. Does it affect the tech they develop? Not in my opinion.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fascism is not an opinion.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fixed that, you are correct.

Still, I don't care if they are gay or straight communist or fascist, black yellow white or gray. Software is a tool and its apolitical.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fascism isnt a political view either. Conservatism is a political view. It also cant be viewed the same as communism or socialism. One is based on feeding, housing and helping everyone while the other is tied to discriminating, abusing and even killing people of different ethnicity and ability.

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[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Discord fails to include a libre software license text file. We do not control it, anti-libre software.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 29 points 2 days ago
[–] Drito@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Use Vivarium instead, it works and it is very featured !

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago

And on that note, I condemn in the harshest terms the response from communities like /r/linux on the subject. The vile harassment and hate directed at the FDO officer in question is obscene and completely unjustifiable. I don’t care what window manager or desktop environment you use – this kind of behavior is completely uncalled for. I expect better.

reddit-logo moment

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fuck hyprland

All my homies hate hyprland

[–] TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You probably don't care about my opinion, but one of the reason I don't really care about this is that I only have the "drama" second hand from very unreliable sources. There is the Vaxry's version of the story which cannot be trusted because that's conflict of interest. Then there is Drew, who according to a Distrotube video is quite a bizzare person, who really enjoys to stir the drama and write these extremely misleading "hitpieces" on famous FOSS people. The issue is that to me Distrotube is not a credible source regarding this either because he's got for me too schizo view of the world. He has a rifle collection, in case he has to fight for his country. (including a rifle, "that's good for children")

So it's just too foggy for me. Well I don't promote Hyprland because I don't care about my computer's "looks" and because according to some (I think) Void dev, Hyprland code is crap. But that's a different story. Anyways my point is that I can see why people can see it as not that bad.

edit: adding sources for the Drew, Distrotube and Void stuff, in that order. Also the Drew video relies on indirect evidence but for me it's fairly convincing.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NLHIIVppdMw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nvQ-ZY460WQ

https://reddit.com/r/voidlinux/comments/1eb3ivp/on_hyprland

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[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Sadly there are many people in the open source community who don't care, to them if the software is good then it doesn't matter who the artist is.

Specifically with the Linux community I feel like it's half queer people and half middle aged men and the other half often doesn't care and likely lean right wing or libertarian anyway.

That's my opinion at least. Tons of people still use and recommend Proton even though its founder and owner is toxic and harmful to queer people as well.

[–] lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Imo theres a massive diffrence between using a massive companys software that only runs on their servers and generates money for them, and a completly FOSS tiling desktop that the creator almost quit because they get literally nothing from people using the code. The entire point of open source is to make software that benefits everyone nomatter the original creators views

[–] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

I get the aspect that usage of open source projects don’t necessarily benefit their dev (for better or worse), but at the end of the day promotion of a software is still promotion of its dev (even if to a much smaller degree) and consequently their reach. I can understand why people like the op would have issues with it being actively recommended.

[–] pathief@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Have you tried to use only products made by nice guys or nice companies? It's impossible.

It's also a bit ironic to post this opinion on Lemmy, whose creators are also bigots.

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[–] Stiltonfondu@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

A belated happy 1st birthday to this blog post

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