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This is an open question on how to get the masses to care...

Unfortunately, if other people don't protect their privacy it affects those who do, because we're all connected (e.g. other family members, friends). So it presents a problem of how do you get people who don't care, to care?

I started the Rebel Tech Alliance nonprofit to try to help with this, but we're still really struggling to convert people who have never thought about this.

(BTW you might need to refresh our website a few times to get it to load - no idea why... It does have an SSL cert!)

So I hope we can have a useful discussion here - privacy is a team sport, how do we get more people to play?

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[–] Kobo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Anyone want to join my privacy team? I'm trying out for the 2026 Olympics.

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[–] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (4 children)

for the site see if you can reissue the cert or try certbot if u already used certbot try manyally downloading the cert an pointibng to it

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[–] cardfire@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You're basically studying viral pathology and immunology at that point. Remember how restaurant little can be for making and for vaccinations in American culture?

On top of it taking the slightest effort ... We basically have to settle the solutions and then invite or incentivize them into it, which is hard when you're against disinformation networks with better fundling.

Not to say it's hopeless. Just that the incentives in a highly individualized society captured under surveillance capitalism are misaligned.

[–] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Interesting you say viral pathology and immunology. Can you expand on what you mean on that a bit? I find it a useful analog for what's going on.

[–] cardfire@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm sorry, first of all, for the egregious typos in my last remark. I won't be fixing them or future typos, lol.

Second, vaccines work by every person in a network being a less-weak node with less attack surface than if the whole network is without. Every person that armors up is protecting the whole system, just a little bit, until the network is complete with less attack surface.

Privacy restrictions, antivirus, healthy infosec, follow similar principals as masks and shots in arms, and you have to start studying how the threats respond to shifting attack surface.

At the point the effort to execute on the securing behavior is lowered, adoption improves, but at the point it conflicts with competing values you have to start marketing to people to do the right thing. Selling them on collective interest and on self interest. It's ironic.

How you do ANY of this, well, I can only speculate. I come from a backwards country where 1/3 of our population successfully installed a national health director that admits to not believing in germ theory, and I half expect civilian encryption to be outlawed in the next 18 months.

[–] Corduroy_Pillows_Making_Headlines@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I emailed you, but wanted to reply here that I love this! I don't have much to add as I'm having the same problem with my own project trying to make privacy easier for people like, say, my friends and family. They have to really WANT it to go through all those inconvenient steps of changing to alternative products. Even getting people invested in changing their app settings is hard enough!

I think the below commenter is right that people will start to care more when they see what's going to happen with their data under the new administration (in the U.S., at least). We all thought it was a good trade-off for free and cheap products, and soon we may be faced with our data being used to target us personally.

The only thing I can think of is, have you tried sending info about your sites to relevant news outlets, newsletters, etc.? I got a little traction from being mentioned in two newsletters: Cory Doctorow's newsletter and the DeleteMe newsletter Incognito. I'm planning on mailing out print press copies of my free book later in May...I have a PR friend who will be helping me with that.

[–] Paddy66@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

OMG your book is amazing! You actually sent me a summary version before, and I've just downloaded the full one. I'll add it to my Calibre library and share with others!

I love that foreword about the town square - "Are we in paradise yet?"

We should work together - you're right your book covers a lot of the same ground as my website, but just better written and better researched lol

Thank you! I got your email, will reply soon.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I sometimes wonder if NordVPN has done more for the privacy cause than anything else, purely for the sheer amount of advertising.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

But most of their claims are false. And how does it do anything for privacy. And if you say obscures your ip address.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

Just the fact that NordVPN claims to protect your privacy means that the average person hears about privacy a lot

[–] Paddy66@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It certainly make me feel safer against big tech snooping. Is obscuring your IP address not useful? I genuinely want to hear the arguments for and against VPNs. And if they're not effective what are better ways we can protect ourselves?

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