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Because that's actually a lower number when you compare it to cars in general. Those 83 fatalities happened over a period of 10 years.
EVs catching fire left and right is actually, probably, a talking point manufactured by the oil industry.
Also, get the fuck out of Facebook or wherever you get these shit memes.
Also. WE HEAR ABOUT IT ALL THE FUCKING TIME. There is nothing anyone likes more than taking a shit on Tesla. Often it is deserved. I still wouldn't sell either of mine for basically any ICE car. Yeah they suck. I'm still in.
We literally constantly hear about it. It's the safest post "TESLA SUCKS" haha here's 800 updoots.
I mean, the Cybertruck is a joke.
I hate to defend Tesla because I hate the owner and there are serious issues with things like having the emergency escape door latches hidden and difficult to access...
But there were 1.5 million Pintos affected by the safety recall across 5 model years. Tesla sold more than that many cars last year alone, and estimates are they've sold about 7 million vehicles total.
The fire fatality rate was higher for Pinto than Tesla.
It's hard to comprehend how things have simply inflated over the years. We're dealing with massive numbers now, compared to 1970-1980....
That being said, even with the much higher numbers, we should consider the fact that as the numbers have gone up, so has safety technology.
So the cars should be expected to be safer year over year. The percentage of failures should be less.
That being said, just because it's a smaller percentage doesn't necessarily mean that we shouldn't care about it happening.
In the end, I find your comment to be very useful in gaining a bit of perspective. While it might not fundamentally change my opinion, or anyone else's, it's good to understand the magnitude of these numbers, in comparison to the overall volume of vehicles out there.
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"You don't hear about it."
My dude it's all I hear about ffs.
I guess it should be “why aren’t I hearing about this” and more “why isn’t anyone doing anything about this.”
Which is kind of just the reaction to everything Musk in general.
When Trump dies, President Musk will yeet the body in a flaming cybertruk to explode Obama's library because DEI
This is an acid trip of a comment
Shits tame as hell 😂
Ah, yes, the thing we all haven't heard and seen constantly for years. /s
Tesla's exploding has been widely covered since the very first one happened, both as actual news and jokes/memes.
This image is dumb as fuck, simply because of that. And I'd say with certainty that a LOT more people are aware of Teslas exploding than how many even know there was a car named Fort Pinto.
I'm all for Tesla going down the drain, and more of them exploding (without casualties), but report on that instead of making up dumb shit (that no one hears about it).
Wdym I hear shit about it daily
Tesla blames it on a software issue that will be "fixed in the next update"
Adjusting for inflation that hardly seems like a.... oh fuck it. Things should be getting better not worse!
For one thing, in the Pinto days we didn't have information firehoses shooting streams of content at us 24/7. People were putting up "Hang In There" cat posters with scotch tape. And "You don't have to be CRAZY to work here... but it helps!!!" Those were simpler times.
Because censorship
Later studies found that pintos were not particularly more likely to explode than other cars of the same form factor from that era. Turns out, plenty of other manufacturers cut costs by placing the fuel tanks in the rear bumper. And either way there's plenty of other things you should be more concerned about in deathtraps from that era, such as the steering column impaling you if the front of your car collides with anything, or the roof caving in if your car is ever upside-down.
What did Ford in was the Pinto Memo. Evil corpo pro-tip: Doing clownishly evil napkin math on the relative costs of lawsuits vs a cheap fix is fine, just don't be so dumb as to write it down where a hungry journalist might find it.
Anyway are teslas better or worse than the pinto or comparable modern cars? Who fucking cares, if people actually cared about car safety they would all be lobbying to ban cars within cities and Tesla "F"SD would be illegal everywhere. Anyway it seems that the Swasticar branding is doing more damage to Tesla's reputation than any amount of ludicrous safety and manufacturing issues ever did.
there are more teslas than there are pintos?
That seems like a safe bet to me.
Because the percentages are less than the qty. The denominator is larger and the percentage is technically lower.
Idk I'm just talking out my ass but it sounds like it could math.
Quick eyeball of Tesla figures shows about 5mil sold over all models. Ford Pinto sold about 3mil. So the percentages are pretty close with Tesla deaths nearly quadruple Pinto deaths. And the truck hasn't been out long so who know how many that will kill in accidents given its construction.
That was the 90's. In 2025, you infiltrate the federal government, fire anyone investigating you, close departments that are a nuisance, and subvert the judicial branch.
Tesla doesn't Equal pinto, it's actually much worse
You guys heard about percentages?
You are right. There were 3 million pintos sold. So far there have been 6 million teslas sold. So it's much worse than we thought. 1970s tech joke of a car has a better fire rate Than a 2020s tech car. Thanks for bringing that up!
Utilitarianism is really only viable when the other option is EVERYBODY dies (give-or-take a percentage point or two); killing 10 to save 1000 only really works as an argument if the alternative is 1010 unavoidable deaths. 20 avoidable deaths and 80 avoidable deaths are still a fuck ton of avoidable deaths, especially when we HAVE the resources and the knowledge to prevent them but we just don't because of profit margins and shareholders