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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Nuuskis@sopuli.xyz to c/linux@lemmy.ml
 

SystemD is blamed for long boot times and being heavy and bloated on resources. I tried OpenRC and Runit on real hardware (Ryzen 5000-series laptop) for week each and saw only 1 second faster boot time.

I'm old enough to remember plymouth.service (graphical image) being the most slowest service on boot in Ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04. But I don't see that as an issue anymore. I don't have a graphical systemD boot on my Arch but I installed Fedora Sericea and it actually boots faster than my Arch despite the plymouth (or whatever they call it nowadays).

My 2 questions:

  1. Is the current SystemD rant derived from years ago (while they've improved a lot)?
  2. Should Linux community rant about bigger problems such as Wayland related things not ready for current needs of normies?
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[–] SnailMagnitude@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

Boot times aren't really an issue and not really relevant to good vs bad. You should be able to rice each one for speed on your particular use case if you really want to.

Be wary of anything you get from RedHat. I use their stuff sometimes but ensure I can happily live without gnome, systemd, pipewire, wayland or whatever else they are generously gifting to us freeloaders.

[–] philluminati@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

As a developer I found my apps switched to Docker about Cloud about the same time as SystemD, so the problems I faced writing reliable init scripts evaporated at the same time.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

The traditional init systems suited me just fine, i saw no need to change them. If they were so bad, then they could've been fixed or replaced.

The migration to systemd felt forced. Debian surprised everyone with the change. Also systemd's development is/was backed by corporate Red Hat, their lead developer wasn't exactly loved either and is now working for Microsoft. Of course Canonical's Ubuntu adopted it as well. Overall feels like Windows' svchost.exe, hence people accusing it of vendor lock-in.

It's not just an init system, it's way waaay more. It's supposed to be modular, but good luck keeping only its PID1 in a distro that supports systemd. It breaks the "do one thing right" approach and, in practice, does take away choice which pisses me off.

I had been using Debian since Woody, but that make me change to Gentoo on my desktop which, to me, took the best path: they default to OpenRC but you're free to use systemd if you want to. That's choice. For servers i now prefer Slackware and the laptop runs Devuan whenever i boot it up.

To be fair systemd hasn't shown its ugly face in the Ubuntu VMs i'm forced to use at work.

YMMV. If you're happy with it, fine. This, of course, is only my opinion.

[–] PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why do people keep insisting on capitalizing it wrong? It's systemd, all lowercase. Never has it been Systemd, and never has it been SystemD.

[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I just like the D, baby

[–] erf456@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Proper nouns should never start with a lowercase letter

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[–] Herbstzeitlose@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

It’s one of those divisive FOSS matters that get parroted endlessly by people who think they’re smarter than they really are.

Does systemd have its problems? Sure.
Do those problems actually affect most of the people complaining? No.

See also: “Linus said something funny ten years ago, and I heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard from a guy who once had to edit xorg.conf by hand, so Nvidia is awful forever for everyone!”

[–] dlarge6510@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Systemd is tolerable but it still messes up my day. I'm moving away from it soon.

The idea was sound, the implementation not so much.

[–] Arcaneslime@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I make plymouth do the verbose mode because it's cool and hacker-y. Also I like when it says "failed" and I know what failed. For a few weeks I kept having to manually start firewalld and I never would have known otherwise, update seems to have fixed that though.

Tbf, I really only have experience with fedora and thus systemd, so, I like it but I "don't know what I'm missing" in a sense.

[–] bladewdr@infosec.pub 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

God damn I'd forgotten about Plymouth

[–] addie@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

Is it possible to learn this power?

[–] wargreymon2023@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago

I can't like it bc its complicated.

I am on Guix works great with shepherd.

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