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A community for everything related to Palestine and the occupation currently underway by the occupying force known as Israel.

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.

Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-executive-order-sanctioning-international-criminal-court-rcna191018

“The ICC was designed to be a court of last resort,” the fact sheet on the executive order reads. “Both the United States and Israel maintain robust judiciary systems and should never be subject to the jurisdiction of the ICC.”

No problem when it sanctions Russia, Afghanistan, or any country not aligned with the west
(ideally the i.c.c. should have the power to protect from covert actions of foreign countries, and their powers/jurisdiction should stop there, without the right to sanction for internal matters, no ? And an international army would be enough to prevent overt military actions)

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[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ok, so what does this tell us? That liberal institutions are pointless and a hypersonic hitting tel aviv is the only way to make them behave.

[–] Hagels_Bagels@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

So much for the international rules based order then. Now when Russia or China or Iran or anyone else break international law, the USA can only be ridiculed for putting out a condemnation.

The atrocities committed by the USA in South East Asia aren't in living memory for a lot of people, and happened back when we had less access to information. So I can somewhat understand why a share of the population held a superficial belief that the USA is on the side of international justice. Now the official and publicly stated policy of the USA is to attack and threaten the body responsible for trying Genocidaires. That's it, the myth that America loves the rule of law should be dead now, right?

[–] soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I love your optimism :)
Each time that i realize we're being lied to and it's so obvious(, currently about the threat towards Hamas to free all hostages, e.g.), i can't help but believe that people will be forced to open their eyes on the lies/manipulation/disinformation we're being fed to.
And we're supposed to believe that the u.s. is attacking South Africa for reasons unrelated to their support of Palestine, etc.
The only reason that a lot of people in my entourage are criticizing Israel is because our medias criticized it first.
The u.s. were doing worse in the 50s-70s i.m.o.(, i'm currently reading pope Francis' autobiography, a very very good book, but when he mentions the argentinian dictatorship, with its many horrors, there's no accusation towards the u.s. and the Operation Condor, even if i can understand the need to stay diplomatic, he does say that the communists stole the role of the Church by taking the poors under their wings as well, etc., i'd prefer if it didn't happen again, a lot of respectable capitalists become crazy p.o.s. when they're confronted to bleeding heart communists). Even if the u.s. destroyed everything and killed billions of people they'd still be "our side". At best you just change the figurehead and everything continues, you probably already agree with what i'm saying, i'm just venting 🤷
So many people have great solutions but are ignored, we're clearly not doing our best.
Revolution.

Or, as i said in the selftext and elsewhere, we could encourage the oligarchic announced failure of the west as long as they agree to be in the impossibility to force non-western countries to follow them, even under the pretext of human rights, e.g. with a world army and an effective world tribunal, that'd be a start.
We(sterners) would be free to follow our path, and others as well. None would be able to exert or fear an unwanted foreign influence.
Communists would be encouraged to leave this capitalist hellhole that will transform into fascism if there's too much internal dissent, or into the distinction nobles//peasants if there's not(, and there's also the replacement of laborers by robots), and join socialist states that wouldn't need to spend anything in an army since the world army would make wars impossible.
We'd keep capitalist failures to teach us of what we may have become, and ideologies would spread peacefully through the desirable success of our example, and more slowly, there would be a lot of things to test and details to fill, but we're not even trying to find a way to live peacefully together, it's hegemony/uniformity all the way