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non-stickied PSA: Beehaw has signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact (beehaw.org)

submitted 2 years ago by alyaza@beehaw.org to c/chat@beehaw.org

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although this is unlikely to substantially and directly impact us and is a more immediate concern for Mastodon and similar fediverse software, we've signed the Anti-Meta Fedi Pact as a matter of principle. that pact pledges the following:

i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity

the maintainer of the site is currently a little busy and seems to manually add signatures so we may not appear on there for several days but here's a quick receipt that we did indeed sign it.

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[–] EthicalAI@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What about twitters project?

[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Twitter's project? You mean Jack Dorsey's BlueSky? It doesn't do ActivityPub - it's not part of the fediverse

[–] EthicalAI@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is federated, but I forgot it wasn’t activitypub.

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's decentralised and open-source, but not federated, as it works on its own isolated protocol (similar to Matrix)

[–] EthicalAI@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Matrix is also federated... having your own protocol is not related to the concept of federation, which is simply the property of having the ability to run your own servers and join a network of other servers which share a protocol.

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes ,and no.

It depends on how you define both terms. If decentralised = federated, matrix is federated. But if federation is defined as a model of social network in which different servers based on different platforms interact through the use of the same protocol(S) (decentralisation + interoperability), being isolated, Matrix doesn't fit the definition.

Because Matrix doesn't accept other platforms to enter its protocol, nor plans on adding it's commonly not considered to be truly federated

[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Matrix does. There's multiple different projects that implement Matrix's protocols: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/servers/

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those are still Matrix (platform) style servers.

You don't have something like Mastodon vs Pixelfed vs Lemmy in terms of diversity of products.

[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Those all speak ActivityPub.

But if you want to put some weird UI to say that it's federated (which is not necessary to be a federated service). You have Cerulean : https://matrix.org/blog/2020/12/18/introducing-cerulean/

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

I know they are ActiVItyPub based. I'm talking about the diversity of platforms, not which protocol they use.

that it’s federated (which is not necessary to be a federated service).

What do you mean by this?

[–] lemor@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

More instances should consider this pact.

[–] suddenlythequietrose@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've seen a lot of sentiment shifting positively for Facebook (I refuse to call it meta) over the past few months and I find it kind of unnerving. Mostly outside of tech/journalism circles. Maybe it's just that standing next to Twitter, Facebook has looked a lot prettier lately or something but I don't understand how anyone can forget all the malicious evils Facebook has been and brought onto us. Could the name change have really bamboozled people into giving them a clean slate?

I'm all in on holding the line against them taking over the fediverse, glad to see the energy and I hope we keep it.

[–] wet_lettuce@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Look at what they are doing with Mark Zuckerberg. Their big PR campaign to show him as a mans man. Posting that he did the Murph challenge, talking about ju jit su, and accepting Elon's ridiculous challenge for a cage match.

There is this fairly obvious PR campaign to make him seem less like a emotionless robot.

[–] GiantBasil@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

I truly do t understand why so many people in the fediverse are so willing to "give meta a chance". Why?! Why would would get closer to the limbs ripping machine just because they painted it a different color?

Every single Zuckerberg social media venture had "raze everyone else to the ground" as a step, but you think this one won't?? This time the leopard won't eat our faces?!

[–] ImHereForVorePorn@yiffit.net 2 points 2 years ago

Hell yea, fuck meta.

[–] TheCee@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

Good on them. Always imagine it was Reddit pulling this move.

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

ayyye ty <3

[–] awwsom@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

let them create there's and lets see what happens. I do not like meta but i like their open source projects like react and lexical. if they do any unethical stuff we can just not use them.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

if they do any unethical stuff we

If? When...

[–] Festivity8529@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The link to the pact nearly blinded me. Animated falling hearts and bright pink background. For a minute there I thought I travelled back in time to the 90's. Also I hasten to add that everyone blocking Meta seems like quite an unfederated thing to do. That said I hate Meta, block 'em.

[–] wet_lettuce@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

That combined with the lack of capitalization is off-putting for some reason. It grates on me and I can't put my finger on why.

[–] Rentlar@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

This is great, I don't think federating with Meta will benefit the admins' mission with this instance much at all.

[–] Melody@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Refusing to federate with Meta servers is practically a no-brainer anyways.

Nobody really wants brain-dead facebook users on the fediverse anyways.^1^

1 > This, of course, doesn't include anyone owning a facebook account out of necessity who also has the technical knowledge to register and conduct themselves appropriately on the Fediverse in general.

[–] evistre@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Glad to hear it!

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