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I'm really enjoying lemmy. I think we've got some growing pains in UI/UX and we're missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn't going to be free. Can someone with actual server experience chime in with some back of the napkin math on how expensive it would be if everyone migrated from Reddit?

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[โ€“] torknorggren@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[โ€“] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 4 points 2 years ago

I'm running a barebones server for myself and a few communities (not many subs yet) which will run for less than a Starbucks coffee a month... (Assuming I don't need more storage space... Lemmy seems pretty light. The main servers are gonna carry the load unfortunately... Beehaw.org had a transparency post about financials as of about a week ago they said something that their instance was costing like 50-75ish a month of I recall.

[โ€“] octet33@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The thing is, Lemmy is decentralized. You don't need to have an account on an instance (server) to use that instance's "subreddits" (communities) - instances communicate their activity to each other automatically, so any instance will do (provided the instances haven't banned each other). It's just like email.

So it's pretty simple to just stop accepting sign-ups once an instance starts to become impractically large. Anyone can start an instance for just the cost of a domain ($10ish/year, or free if it's a subdomain of an existing website) and a server (that random computer you already have lying around will do just fine, for free). And a small instance can do fine on just donations and the good will of the operator.

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[โ€“] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Really, the only direct cost of lemmy is the development. That's the beauty of lemmy's decentralized nature, the cost of actually running it is spread out among tech hobbyists with spare hardware and time (edit: and only ~$30/year or less for a domain name), or may even have some money to throw at new hardware. For most people, the connectivity doesn't incur any additional cost to whatever they're already paying for internet access.

There are plenty of free and excellent open source projects that neither charge money or generate profits, they're driven by passionate developers who give their and talent for the enjoyment of it and betterment of the community.___

[โ€“] freedomenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communities can get quite big, the big communities would be quite expensive to be hosted right?

[โ€“] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

I don't host any instances myself, but I have experience with web hosting in general. Yes, the hardware will need to scale vertically with more activity, but I don't know what lemmy's anticipated load thresholds are.

I would guess a decent i7 with an SSD and 16GB+ RAM would handle lemmy quite comfortably for a good while. So the expense isn't entirely trivial, but it's nothing compared to a centralized service with hundreds of millions of regular users.

[โ€“] pproe@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I know that it is not a popular topic in 2023 but a blockchain currency that allows users to 'award' posts/comments (similar to tipping in /r/dogecoin days) could provide instance owners with a source of income by taking a small portion of tips on their server.

Such a system would likely scale alongside user activity (read server load) and would encourage higher quality content. Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this.

Honestly I would hate that, but if that's what keeps the lights on then I'll deal with it. I would prefer to move to an anonymous donation model like Wikipedia but I'm skeptical that will work.

[โ€“] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would it have to be blockchain? Plus like the other commenter said, that provides incentive to bot comments and such. Donation based stuff works fine.

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[โ€“] luckystarr@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Put up a yearly donation drive (like Wikipedia) but unlike Wikipedia do:

  1. a competition between the various instances, on which collects the most donations
  2. not shift the page content when displaying the donation banner!

Ideally the donations will be handled through a non-profit org dedicated to this particular purpose. If the donation level is high enough, developers can be hired to further improve the source code. Currently the funds are managed through OpenCollective, but with enough growth this may not be feasible any longer.

This will most likely lead to heated debates as this will build a somewhat centralized organization, which necessarily comes with power concentration.

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[โ€“] EdibleSource@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I would like to join a cooperatively owned instance.

I have been tempted to join cosocial.ca, however I don't care for microblogging (Mastodon) as much as something forum-like such as a Lemmy instance.

[โ€“] V4uban@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago
[โ€“] Communist@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Since it's distributed, the cost doesn't even compare to a centralized instance. It's really hard to say how much it would cost to host everyone across the fediverse, but because of decentralization, it'll be a hell of a lot easier to achieve.

[โ€“] Lemon_Man@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

sell checkmarks like Tumbler.

for x$ a month get a checkmark next to your name on posts. in whatever colours you pay for. buy checkmarks for others.

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It's literally all donated

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