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[–] Spzi@lemmy.click 6 points 2 years ago

Interesting to see the interplay between power and civil disobedience.

It was naive to expect reddirt to bow down (which is why many thought the protest was pointless), but still the right thing to continue the protests.

What it does is, it forces the power to show face, and it creates a dilemma. Do they

  1. let the protest continue? That's an option, if the protest can be ignored. If the protest is too much of an obstruction, this is not an option.
  2. give in to the demands? Clearly the worst option, else there wouldn't be any protest
  3. use force to remove the protest? A good option if enough people don't care, the best option if people even condone the use of force.

Maybe you already noticed, I'm talking about something else, something bigger.

(1) Is why regular demonstrations (in themselves) have little effect; they can be ignored. They must be a stepping stone to further escalation, else you get statements like "this one will pass as well". The people protesting must be committed and follow through.

(2) Must be won in battle. There will be no gifts. It has to be the least painful option for the authorities, and remember it was their most painful option at the beginning.

(3) Very much depends on solidarity. With which side does civil society solidarize itself? Does it favor the force-applying authorities, because they remove an annoying obstruction to business as usual? Are the protesters the good guys, because they are fighting for a just cause and a better future?

Neutrality on this stance indirectly supports the stronger part, usually the authorities (which are in a position to use force). Using force has no real downsides (oversimplified), unless society heavily condemns it. By 'condemning,' I mean supporting the protests, ideally through participation.

Maybe after experiencing this with your once-favorite social media provider, you can see the next climate protest / civil disobedience with different eyes.

[–] SpacePace@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

Probably expecting reddit to do the same to other subreddits that try this tactic. It's awful

[–] raz0rf0x@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

goes out to get more popcorn Yes.... Excellent.

[–] hiyaaaaa23@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

This shit has gone way too far.

[–] walktall@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reddit is now crashing/not loading https://downdetector.com/status/reddit/

Did these idiots bring down their own site by accident?

[–] Thalyssa@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Pilirin@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

so it's more than just r/mildlyinteresting. there's also r/TIHI and r/interestingasfuck and r/shittylifeprotips and r/illegallifeprotips and r/self

looks like the admins have decided to start their campaign in what they seem to believe is a war

[–] intelati@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Okay. Reddit just killed itself.

Yikes

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

This morning's news about the r/mildlyinteresting team being reinstated and unsuspended by a different admin - that's confirmation that there's internal conflict going on. Protests don't work, my ass.

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[–] Cavefishes@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] NRVulture@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

This is both infuriating and devastating.

[–] slicedcheesegremlin@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

~~Oh my God spez has resorted to outright deleting some of the colossal moneymaker subs, that will do more permanent damage than a user blackout ever could. This is quite possibly the funniest thing I've seen from that shitsite in years.~~

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[–] TheMightyBlu@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I can't say I'm surprised we've arrived at this point but still... If this is the precedent set then there's surely not much more that can be done. Thing that sort of sickens me is seeing just how many people are immediately lining up to take over as mods for these subs, but maybe I'm just naΓ―ve.

[–] explodingkitchen@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

We have no way of knowing how many of those accounts are real, and how many are puppets trying to make it look like mods can be easily replaced. And even if those signups are legit, imagine being a novice mod on a team of novice mods, with some highly valuable mod tools on the verge of disappearing. Between the inexperience at modding, the inexperience at interacting peaceably with other mods (which can sometimes be more of a challenge than dealing with regular users), and poor tools to handle the workload... it's gonna be a bumpy ride, to say the least. I'd expect a lot of turnover and a lot of stuff falling through the cracks.

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[–] Pookie1804@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We all knew this was a possibility.

The next move should be contacting all the mods of all the subreddits you love and get them the information on a migration. Set up a place for them to land and offer to have them mod here if they want to move everyone.

I have done that with my favorite subs already. Hopefully the mods respond and set up home here.

[–] minnieo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

ive been trying but most the time they hadnt listened. i think they need more voices encouraging them, politely of course, we dont wanna look like dicks. something as simple as "Hey, i love this community but I no longer use reddit, will you guys be making a community on Kbin or other alternatives? Let me know please, thanks."

[–] lwgrs@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

GO DM MODS OF YOUR FAVORITE SUBREDDITS AND POLITELY ASK ABOUT MIGRATION!

Please don't do this. I'm a moderator of a sub (won't say which one). From a personal standpoint I'm happy to use both platforms. Vilify me if you will. But I do not want to see messages from users asking if we're going to migrate. That's pestering and it won't go well if that particular subreddit isn't into it.

[–] minnieo@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

How else do you suggest bringing migration to their attention? I am a mod as well, I cannot see how someone politely asking if we are thinking about making a community on a diff platform can be perceived as pestering? It appears this is individual and not every mod will be annoyed and not every mod wont be annoyed.

edit: 10 people suggesting it to mods says "this is in higher demand than we thought, not just one random person's suggestion that we can ignore, we need to consider taking action or addressing this" Which is how changes happen. mods need to listen to their users, thats the responsibility they volunteered to take on. As a commenter said below me: "If you are getting annoyed because so many of your users want to migrate, maybe you should consider migrating instead of demonizing your users?"

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