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It's become somewhat of a meme now when there is a story on crime, or other bad things happening in a city, people pipe up and say "That's how it is in blue cities!" "This could only happen in a Democrat city!" However, I noticed they never say "... and that's why only want to live in X" or "... that would never happen in Y".

If living in "blue cities" are such a nightmare, where are all these Utopian "red cities" that people are apparently in favor of?

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 164 points 1 day ago (21 children)

the funny thing is... getting people to live closer together encourages empathy.

living in the middle of nowhere reduces empathy... this is why people living in bumfuck are empathy-lacking tools calling themselves 'conservatives'

[–] yarr 40 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It seems like a lot of the time they are like "boy, crime is higher".... but if you live in a city that's just a fact of life. It's pretty obvious that there will be less crime out in the sticks. I wouldn't really attribute this to any "blue" policies.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Part of "less crime in the sticks" is a population effect. The rate of violent crime in New York City is 494/100,000 people. The rate of violent crime in the whole state of Alabama, from its stickiest sticks to the 225,000-resident Huntsville metropolis, is 404/100,000, which isn't that different, in my book.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I suspect that's just because of Birmingham, and possibly Mobile. They have pretty bad crime rates, and Birmingham is the state's main "blue city", at least based on how counties voted in the 2024 election.

Birmingham had a violent crime rate of 1440 per 100k, making it one the worst cities in the nation for violent crime.

Mobile had a crime rate of 825 per 100k. Mobile's county was slightly red in the 2023 election.

Meanwhile Huntsville (who was slightly red in that same election) had a violent crime rate of 133 per 100k, and has been proudly claiming a 100% arrest and conviction rate for homicide cases. So to answer @yarr@feddit.nl's question, I guess Huntsville is an example of a successful "red" city (although it may be less successful in coming years due to Trump's NASA cuts).

Rural Alabama (excluding counties that were classified as metropolitan) had a violent crime rate of 248 per 100k, making it less safe than Huntsville but far better than the state average of 494 per 100k.

I'm not going to actually claim that the crime rate is just from politics, Huntsville has a big aerospace industry and it's probably more of an education/class thing than anything else. But regardless those are the violent crime rate numbers for 2023, so feel free to draw your own conclusions.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

100% arrest and conviction rate doesnt really mean anything. Sounds like theyre just arresting whoever and corrupting the jury to convict. Iirc only about 1/3 homicides are solvable?

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

https://www.al.com/news/huntsville/2022/07/no-homicide-case-went-unsolved-in-huntsville-in-2021.html

Here's an article on it, it was actually in 2021 (where the rest of the data was from 2023) so the 100% rate probably isn't the case anymore. Basically they attribute it to having a really low base crime rate compared to other cities, saying that it frees them up to give a lot of attention and resources to each one.

[–] GltchInTheGame@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I live in Huntsville. We are not a red city. Best description would be a blue oasis surrounded by red.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago

NASA is a conspiracy to get smart people to move to the south

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago

We also see that rural crime is undercounted, underreported. Many studies show that (sometimes) rural areas have more crime. Of course it varies by time and location and depends how you define everything.

[–] Glent@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know what there is also more of in cities than the country? Bagel shops, total cans of green beans, utility poles, swimming pools, litter boxes, wooden spoons, belt buckles, ratchets, football fields, sandwich bags, buses, shoe boxes, cranes, sponges, proctologists, laundry hampers, scuba tanks, veterans, record players, hispanics, tire shops, baseballs, asians, restaurants, ceiling fans, and yes......people.

People live in cities and this alt reich talking point is a disingenuous talking point. When looking at crime PER CAPITA red states, CITIES AND RURAL areas have the highest crime rates. This is what they are trying to cover up. Red states do worse on almost every metric. Red states are shitholes. Full stop.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

ive seen some ytubers kept parroting that, california and nyc specifically. they have no minds of thier own.

[–] Demonmariner@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't say there is less crime out in the sticks. But there's less detected crime out in the sticks.

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