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I have never liked Apple and lately even less. F.... US monopolies

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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 196 points 1 month ago (71 children)

Where's the "Apple is the only tech giant that respects your privacy" crowd? Just because your data isn't being publicly auctioned doesn't mean they aren't harvesting it and infringing on your privacy.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (34 children)

It's not data harvesting if it works as claimed. The data is sent encrypted and not decrypted by the remote system performing the analysis.

From the link:

Put simply: You take a photo; your Mac or iThing locally outlines what it thinks is a landmark or place of interest in the snap; it homomorphically encrypts a representation of that portion of the image in a way that can be analyzed without being decrypted; it sends the encrypted data to a remote server to do that analysis, so that the landmark can be identified from a big database of places; and it receives the suggested location again in encrypted form that it alone can decipher.

If it all works as claimed, and there are no side-channels or other leaks, Apple can't see what's in your photos, neither the image data nor the looked-up label.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

It’s not data harvesting if it works as claimed. The data is sent encrypted and not decrypted by the remote system performing the analysis.

What if I don't want Apple looking at my photos in any way, shape or form?'

I don't want Apple exflitrating my photos.
I don't want Apple planting their robotic minion on my device to process my photos.
I don't want my OS doing stuff I didn't tell it to do. Apple has no business analyzing any of my data.

[–] ganymede@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

TLDR edit: I'm supporting the above comment - ie. i do not support apple's actions in this case.


It's definitely good for people to learn a bit about homomorphic computing, and let's give some credit to apple for investing in this area of technology.

That said:

  1. Encryption in the majority of cases doesn't actually buy absolute privacy or security, it buys time - see NIST's criteria of ≥30 years for AES. It will almost certainly be crackable either by weakening or other advances.. How many people are truly able to give genuine informed consent in that context?

  2. Encrypting something doesn't always work out as planned, see example:

"DON'T WORRY BRO, ITS TOTALLY SAFE, IT'S ENCRYPTED!!"

Source

Yes Apple is surely capable enough to avoid simple, documented, mistakes such as above, but it's also quite likely some mistake will be made. And we note, apple are also extremely likely capable of engineering leaks and concealing it or making it appear accidental (or even if truly accidental, leveraging it later on).

Whether they'd take the risk, whether their (un)official internal policy would support or reject that is ofc for the realm of speculation.

That they'd have the technical capability to do so isn't at all unlikely. Same goes for a capable entity with access to apple infrastructure.

  1. The fact they've chosen to act questionably regarding user's ability to meaningfully consent, or even consent at all(!), suggests there may be some issues with assuming good faith on their part.
[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How hard is it to grasp that I don't want Apple doing anything in my cellphone I didn't explicitely consent to?

I don't care what technology they develop, or whether they're capable of applying it correctly: the point is, I don't want it on my phone in the first place, anymore than I want them to setup camp in my living room to take notes on what I'm doing in my house.

My phone, my property, and Apple - or anybody else - is not welcome on my property.

[–] ganymede@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sorry for my poor phrasing, perhaps re-read my post? i'm entirely supporting your argument. Perhaps your main point aligns most with my #3? It could be argued they've already begun from a position of probable bad faith by taking this data from users in the first place.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah I kinda missed your last point. Sorry 🙂

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