Reddit Migration

And make sure not to click on any links. If enough people use chatgpt or other LLM's to generate comments that are wordy but clearly just filler, it'll give advertisers pause and tank the value of the site as training data. Reddit's response will probably be to start banning users it thinks are doing this but normal users will absolutely be caught in the crossfire.

And throw in normal comments every so often too so it's not that obvious.

It’s one thing to have differing views, but I’ve seen enough attempted reddit migrations to be relieved that the popular communities in the fediverse so far haven’t been about crazy racist stuff or other extreme right bullshit.

I am also glad that I’m getting away from reddit’s general political shitposting, which was more left leaning. You couldn’t have any proper discourse on there, and even I with my generally more left leaning views recognized that.

Lemmy and kbin are gonna get all jacked up in the next couple of days. It was a good ride until everything settles down!

Go figure! Lemmy devs already know that reddit was doomed! Sorry this is a link to reddit but it's the only thing i found!

Historically, porn has organically decided which platform or formats become dominant. It's incredibly anti-censorship, but walks many fine lines.

As Reddit now and tomorrow reveals more weaknesses, where will the OnlyFans creators, porn posters, and all those grassroots porn communities go? The creators need to make money by showing to a large and interested user base. The users need lots of content to choose from and be fed constantly, with very few hindrances between them and their...goals. Many of the niches actually have respectful and healthy communities, too. Those people deserve an easy to use platform, just as much as people that want to look at cats, some of those groups, arguably more.

The thought of how to pose this to the Fediverse, now, has been on my mind for weeks:

Can the fediverse rise to the task? Does it even want to? Should it?

Personally, I think it should absolutely try, but I'm not sure it can do so without several deep strides in tech and development. I'm aware this is a hot af take, but it's undeniable that the internet IS for porn, and denying that would be a huge opportunity loss for inevitably winning this popularity context.

At first it was all about presenting data in an original looking way. In the end it was about pushing political ideas in your throat using a plain bar graph. It was not about sharing something interesting you found but about taking advantage of a captive audience.

It's fine to talk about Reddit here and there but let's not talk about Reddit 24/7 on here. For the health of the platform, it's better to talk about a variety of things and build out communities here, rather than complaining about Reddit incessantly.

I've noticed the same thing happen in waves on the Mastodon end of the Fediverse, where people will complain about one thing Twitter does for two week. It makes sense to be upset but at the end of the day you're not on Reddit anymore, and you're probably never going back.

It's the same energy as when a newly single dude can't stop talking about his ex.

I'm having an issue where comments aren't edited at all (not the same as other issues I don't think where it gets cached and changed, as far as I can tell). Recent ones, old ones, random one in between, regardless of sub. I don't have skip gilded actions on, saved actions, or mod distinguished. Anyone know what's going on? I've ran it twice and it didn't catch them, and I've targeted specific subs and it still wouldn't grab em.

Is there another service that will do it? I'm not trying to delete the account, I just want everything edited to what I want to say.

The real #redditmigration starts the 30th or the 1st, I hope lemmy and kbin are ready for the traffic!

Things to think about and lessons to learn.

I realized I interacted / posted / commented less and less on reddit these last couple of years. Couldn't even tell you why exactly. Now I've been here for a week and, I don't know, I just like interacting again... Hope it stays like this for a while :)

Something that I really appreciate after moving here from Reddit: I can finally edit titles!

No more having to delete and re-post when I notice a typo. No more having to endure the embarrassment when I don't notice one until after the comments have already started.

It's a small thing, but a relief nevertheless.

This was posted some weeks ago, but I feel it might be useful for many folks these days, so reposting the link here.

Is this new to post-blackout reddit is or has it been this way for a while. Top post of r/all is a tweet from like 2 years ago about a "current event" that no one has talked about since then and 100% of the comments are talking about this like this topic is the focus of today's or any recent time's 24 hour news cycle. Nearly 30K upvotes. 100 comments. Feels like ai/bot cosplaying what an actual hot reddit post would be like but in a world without people.

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I was looking at reddit today, and the front-page felt like nothing happened. I scrolled and scrolled and scrolled and clicked into comments. Everything is popping off buzzing with activity. All the subreddits I was subscribed to that went dark are now back up and business as usual.

I knew we were a minority, but I didn't expect this level of apathy. It feels like Spez was 100% right and this did in fact blow over. What's your take on it it? I didn't expect Reddit to immediately be a failure, but man I guess I expected a bigger impact than that.

A new study shows that LLM models that are fed too much content that was generated by LLMs eventually collapse. Essentially, text generated by AI is poison if it makes its way into an LLMs training data. If the model eats too much of this poison, the model dies. By replacing your Reddit comments with AI generated text, you can effectively increase the toxicity of Reddit's dataset, and thereby decrease its value to firms training new LLMs. This will probably happen naturally anyway as spam bots and so forth continue taking over Reddit, but if you want to go out in a petty way, this is a good option.

I linked the actual study, but I first read about this on Platformer, where he was writing more broadly about how the AI is filing up the web with synthetic content and the problems that is causing. He was using this study to point out that it will be increasingly hard for developers to find good content for the LLMs to train on due to there being so much AI generated content, and the risk of the LLMs consuming too much AI content. Here is what he wrote:

A second, more worrisome study comes from researchers at the University of Oxford, University of Cambridge, University of Toronto, and Imperial College London. It found that training AI systems on data generated by other AI systems — synthetic data, to use the industry’s term — causes models to degrade and ultimately collapse.

While the decay can be managed by using synthetic data sparingly, researchers write, the idea that models can be “poisoned” by feeding them their own outputs raises real risks for the web.

And that’s a problem, because — to bring together the threads of today’s newsletter so far — AI output is spreading to encompass more of the web every day.

“The obvious larger question,” Clark writes, “is what this does to competition among AI developers as the internet fills up with a greater percentage of generated versus real content.”

When tech companies were building the first chatbots, they could be certain that the vast majority of the data they were scraping was human-generated. Going forward, though, they’ll be ever less certain of that — and until they figure out reliable ways to identify chatbot-generated text, they’re at risk of breaking their own models.

Even the study's abstract doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so here is an AI generated ELI5 (I am fully aware of the irony):

This paper is about how computers learn to write like humans. They use a lot of text from the internet to learn how to write. But if they use too much text that they wrote themselves, they start to forget how humans write. This is bad because we want computers to write like humans. So we need to make sure that computers learn from humans and not just from other computers.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/29/23778407/reddit-cannot-survive-without-its-moderators-it-cannot

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This is a great idea. Let's get as many one-star reviews up there as we can!

How low can you go-oo-oo-oo

Reddit's downfall is, shocker, Greed and Stupidity