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[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago (9 children)

It's always... let's say interesting to see how eager people are to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Longterm it is the path to minimal suffering. As the US Revolutionaries put it "give us liberty or give us death."

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Is it? Are you really unable to imagine a better longterm path than "keep the war going until the enemy is destroyed"?

Liberty is all fine and good, but it has to be "give me", not "give them". I dislike the idea of people getting killed for chickenhawk fantasies.

[–] OvertonDoors@infosec.exchange 0 points 1 week ago

@Aqarius @finitebanjo
Nobody asked you what you like. Why? Because it's immaterial to the question of will Ukraine capitulate. It will not. Not for Trump, not for putin. Not for weapons or promises or treaties. You can't promise Putin his own people will not execute him, so the coward has no choice but to throw away a life for every acre of territory that cannot be kept.

Ruzzia is already a Chinese vassal state, so in a real sense it's already lost the war no matter what happens next.

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