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Don’t You Know Who I Am?

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[–] UserDoesNotExist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children)

Is he mixing up people with 3 gonosomes?

Because these are not too rare. It’s one of the more frequent mutations.

But even a person with XXY is a male. Since the male gonosome is considered as a mutation of an X chromosome. Somewhere in the evolution of mammals and other vertebrates (or most likely much earlier) something messed up and created the Y chromosome from an X chromosome. That’s why genetic diseases are usually more frequent in males, since one branch of the X chromosome does not have some backup. It’s simply missing.

So whenever a person has one Y chromosome. It is considered male. The lack of a Y chromosome is considered a female.

This can also be seen in people with genetic disorders, such as three gonosomes. XXX is a female XYY is a male XXY is also a male.

And to everyone’s information: I am for Germany and we do not have two words for sex and gender.

I don’t understand what you English speakers are up to.

[–] SomeoneElse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You had me up to:

And to everyone’s information: I am for Germany and we do not have two words for sex and gender. I don’t understand what you English speakers are up to.

I don’t understand what you mean here? I’m sure biological sex and gender identity are considered separate ideas even in languages without a specific word for them. To my mind a lot of transphobia comes from people not understanding there’s a difference between sex and gender.

As for the XXY, I’m OP and that’s my mistake. I misremembered my biology lessons and thought a second X chromosome made someone biological female, rather than the presence of an Y chromosome making someone male. I replied to someone else explaining my mistake.

[–] UserDoesNotExist@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don’t understand what you mean here? I’m sure biological sex and gender identity are considered separate ideas even in languages without a specific word for them.

Some people here in Germany claim so. These people use the English word “gender”, because German doesn’t offer a specific word for that. But I don’t understand why one has to differentiate. I don’t think there is gender identity. Identity is the constitution of my character and my values. Feelings and emotions are not part of character, they are reactions to stimuli.

To my mind a lot of transphobia comes from people not understanding there’s a difference between sex and gender.

But that’s barely comprehensible to me. How could it ever be, if my language does not offer this differentiation. The way we talk strongly affect the way we think. And I am not thinking in categories such as gender and sex. There is just gender (the last sentences sound weird. But I simply cannot translate it)

As for the XXY, I’m OP and that’s my mistake. I misremembered my biology lessons and thought a second X chromosome made someone biological female, rather than the presence of an Y chromosome making someone male. I replied to someone else explaining my mistake.

Alright. Nature is crazy.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sex: Biological and even then sometimes biology screws up

Gender: Social and sometimes people raised as one gender don't identify as being that gender

[–] UserDoesNotExist@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Gender: Social and sometimes people raised as one gender don't identify as being that gender

But why the word gender then?

Because if it only relates to the way someone was raised, then it is not connected to the sex. The role of a male or the role of a female are very different in other cultures. So gender becomes something extremely vague.

What if I identify my gender to be male? What does that even mean then? Is my gender then what European men are like? What kind of European man? Or a Muslim man? Maybe an ultra radical Indian man who would burn his wife?

The role of a man and a woman is usually a purely social construct. Why would I identify with such a construct? It’s so vague. And what use does gender identity have? We humans use such terms usually to classify the properties of a human. But the gender term seems to be a bad classification standard. Classification must be something specific. But this gender term is not very specific.

This English stuff makes me go mad. It makes me go mad. Maybe for context: the German word “Geschlecht” is also not the most precise. It means sex, but in the past it also meant something like old family, like the some old royal family. It is also used genealogically.

If I am a male and I am looking for a mate to make children, then I am not interested in the persons belief, what they believe to be, but their biological properties.

When does gender become relevant?

I have looked up gender studies. Gender studies started to analyse the cultural and social dynamics between the sexes. Also analysing the roles, male and females take in society according to their sex. But the term gender, does that not undermine those studies? Because how can you analyse those dynamics, if gender becomes a term so loose?

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[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Gonna add this clarification up here for you: sex is xy or xx etc. Gender is wearing dresses and playing with barbie dolls, vs space ships and army toys.

Its pretty obvious xx has nothing to do with the color pink, and so sometimee xy's prefer these societal structures, so they adopt them as their own.

Technically if an xy was risen as the female gender, they wouldnt even be transgender - their original structure was pink and shit, and so they never changed it. (There is argument that xx -> pink and xy -> army is aligned on the same "side", so any deviation would be trans - but realistically theres only historical basis for this, nothing that would even make it to the hypothesis stage, much less official definition)

Not understandin

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[–] 5SpeedDeasil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As an English speaker, trust me you don’t wanna know. Don’t dive into it

[–] UserDoesNotExist@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Well, since there is just one word in German for sex and gender, it’s the same thing here, some people try to use the English word gender (untranslated) here.

But I simply don’t understand why this is needed. It’s getting so mixed up and complicated, but at the same time it barely has any relevance. Because what does it add to society, dialogue or communication? German is a very precise language, and I don’t understand why some people try to soften it up with the English term of gender. It’s so weird.

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