Technology

That is tight as hell and I love it

Especially when helping your parents living in the middle of nowhere.

Seeing them struggle with the changes happening in the last few decades, makes me worry what I'll be like when i need some young whippersnapper so that I can pay via personal, irrational, conditional thinking.

Yep. My Dad in his late 70s uses this system and it works great for him.

People make fun of it, but for people with low tech literacy this is actually far better than having a mish-mash of solutions where some their logins end up automatically saved in iOS on their phone, some are saved in Chrome on the desktop, some are just in their head, they don't know where anything is, and are constantly losing access and resetting credentials all the time.

And it definitely reduces the burden on me of parental tech support, when its all in the book.

For the majority of my clients who use this kind of system, it is totally dysfunctional.

Most of the records are incorrect, my guess is that they occasionally reset the password on mobile while the book is inaccessible and then don’t remember to update it in the book later.

Effective use relies on the user’s understanding of umbrella accounts. I’ve had users have separate written entries for “Office”, “Skype”, “Hotmail”, and “Windows” because they don’t understand those things are all one Microsoft Account.

As passwords get updated, it can become a mess of crossed out records with new ones squished into the margins. When a someone dies, anything written illegibly can be difficult for surviving family to discern. As the book gets filled out, it can get tricky to keep things alphabetized unless the user provisioned additional empty space between records.

This system can work great for someone who is meticulous, neat, and organized.

For your average person, I’ve had better luck solving the problem with a password manager synced to an online account that is protected by MFA and has recovery options that are also protected by MFA.

The main weakness it has is from a nosey flatmate, spouse, or child in the house.

Watch out for that home grown script kiddie

My Mum died recently and my step dad is shit with tech, so their password book was invaluable in helping us gain access to her Apple account and her phone. It meant we were able to get to her iCloud passwords, so now we have access to everything.

So yeah, password books are actually pretty handy.

“People can no longer remember passwords good enough to reliably defend against dictionary attacks, and are much more secure if they choose a password too complicated to remember and then write it down.

We're all good at securing small pieces of paper. I recommend that people write their valuable passwords down on a small piece of paper, and keep it with their other valuable small pieces of paper: in their wallet.

Obscure it somehow if you want added security: write "bank" instead of the URL of your bank, transpose some of the characters, leave off your userid. This will give you a little bit of time if you lose your wallet and have to change your passwords. But even if you don't do any of this, writing down your impossible-to-memorize password is more secure than making your password easy to memorize.”

Bruce Schneier - 2005.

Yeah, my in-laws have such a book and it honestly is great. They live in their own flat where nobody can access the book without breaking in. They do not save their passwords in their browser, so anyone hacking into their PC can't grab them. If they want to login into an account, they take out their book, put in the user name and unique password and that's it. Quite the good method and I really do not see many problems there.

Password managers check the URL before giving its data. A human being can be fooled into giving it to a fake web site.

Please hold your password notebook in front of the laptop camera.

Yeah, It's actually quite a secure way to store passwords, since it requires physical access.

I knew a guy who had a drawer full of slips of paper with passwords written on. He called it the "security drawer". Made me smile, but probably shouldn't have been advertising it.

Just maybe don't plaster "THESE ARE MY SECRETS" on the cover. Security through obscurity.

they just centered the whole thing 🤦

Can confirm. I had to do a double take that I didn't write this comment and just forget.

Of the 200 elderly I see maybe 75% still use the book or a variation of it.

The best is when they use iPad notes or even their fucking contacts to save info lol

If you keep the book secure, it's probably safer than any computer based record system - right up until someone untrustworthy gets their eyes on the book.

With a physical book, you can store it in a safe deposit box when you don't need access, make partial copies, copies take (everyone, bad guys and good) significantly longer to make even with a photocopy process... most importantly, people intuitively understand the vulnerabilities of a physical book.

Now, the physical book won't stop keyloggers...

I'm sure grandma could figure out how to do all of this.