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"I hate these damn bike lanes. Screw your studies. I'm not reading that"
"Cut gas taxes. I see no reason why I should pay to support public transit"
"Fuck speed limits. I'm proud to break the law"
This sense of entitlement is insane.
The laws of physics define what are safe driving speeds, not the statist laws of man.
I am not from Ontario but I am guessing it's not too different here, I am from Quebec and people here have this feeling of rushing things the moment they touch the wheel like they are always in a hurry, and I think it's probably because of the culture of always needing to do things and want things fast so everyone loses patience and don't wanna lose any time. I seen people even when not driving putting themselves at risk just to save a few seconds. And if you drive at the speed limit people hate you because they think you're going too slow.
The number of people who use terms like idiot, loser, beta etc for people who obey the limit is astounding. Ive heard more speeders say that limit followers should have their lisences removed than vice versa.
I find that speeders often assume that it is only their driving skill that should define their speed. They don't acknowledge that they will be driving in traffic or what the roads sight lines might be. They are also often delusional about how good a driver they are. There are many times when following a speeder that has woven through traffic that you can visually see all the cars that swerved or hit the brakes so that the "excellent driver" could get through unscathed.
I have to carpool with my boss on occassion who thinks he is one of the best drivers on the road while everyone else is shit and I am terrified everytime he drives anywhere. It's insane how unpredictable he is on the road. He even got pulled over going 115 in a construction zone (60 limit) and the cop SHOULD have had his vehicle impounded but decided to give him a warning and not even the double fine for construction zone, just a regular speeding ticket. If only that cop knew how many tickets he gets every year. Warnings and being nice does not teach him anything.
As someone who had their life ruined by a speeding driver who ignored a red light, fuck anyone who speeds.
Fuck people that run reds. As a speeder, even I can agree with you on that. I'm so sorry for what happened to you, no one deserves to be put through that.
The thing with speeding is that you will end up running more reds and yellows just due to the stopping distance. Not every light has the same yellow period. The grading, speed and design of the road factor in. If you are doing 60 in a 40 zone, there is a very good chance you wont be able to stop in time for the yellow.
This is just 1 of the increased risks speeding brings to our roadways.
I have NEVER gone through a red, and yet I routinely substantially speed. There's no excuse for running reds. If your reaction time is too shitty to stop quick enough, drive slower. But some of us have very fast reaction times indeed.
Have you ever decided you were going too fast to stop for a yellow while speeding?
Running a red ≠ going through a yellow. The latter is legal – that's the whole point of a yellow, to give warning for folks who are a bit too late to stop.
Being a bit too late to stop is different from speeding and being unable to stop. The yellow is there to account for heavier vehicles, hazardous road conditons, and a little bit of driver distraction. Its all still timed around the limit of the road. If people are routinely speeding, they are pushing the safety margin of that yellow to its limit.
Speed cameras are a money grab and should be abolished because they don't actually result in safer driving and really is just a revenue generator.
Instead non-highway roads should be narrowed or otherwise calmed (and use that extra space for bike/pedestrian paths), this naturally causes almost all drivers to slow down, which increases safety. (source)
Thank you. You're exactly right.
Are speed cameras really effective? There are multiple studies that looked at this.
And the answer is yes, they really are:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1963295/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3861844/
The car crashes that happen in Ontario cost society far more ressources (police, hospitals, nurses, medication, surgeries) that any of the money raised by speeding tickets.
Road narrowing is a great idea. It can be applied to local streets.
But the people who hate speed cameras are going to absolutely FREAK OUT if you suggest road narrowing as a potential solution.
Nah, I'm someone who hates speed cameras and I'd welcome some narrowing or weaving roads. Lowering the speed on a 60km to 40 km and sticking a speed camera on it makes everyone feel like they're being micromanaged by some new incompetent manager. If they want to lower speed limits, change the design of the road to match.
If you cant reduce your speed from 60 to 40, you are the one that is incompetent.
It costs millions to redesign and refurbish 1 road while it costs thousands to operate the cameras. We should be working towards building safer roads but ill take enforcement in the meantime, lives are literally at risk if we let speeds remain high on our city streets.
Even if every paving company in ontario worked for free year round we could not bring every unsafe, needlessly wide road to a better standard within a year. Nearly every major road in every city and town would need to be redesigned and repaved.
Speeding isn’t an individual phenomenon, it’s a group phenomenon. Groups of drivers peer pressure each other into speeding. Choosing not to speed can result in aggressive drivers tailgating you and hurling obscenities at you.
Designing streets to be physically impossible to speed on (narrow, winding roads) is the ultimate deterrent for speeding. People respond better to feedback the more immediate it is and there’s nothing more immediate (for a driver) than physical obstacles that threaten to hit your car. Getting a speeding ticket in the mail a week after the incident is such a long feedback cycle that the driver is likely to blame the speed cameras, not their own driving.
There is a sign that says the limit of the road. There is a sign that says there is a speed camera in use. If they keep getting tickets thats their fault as a driver. Blame whatever you want but they weren't reading the road signs and they weren't following the limit. Who cares if some asshole gets upset the I'm doing the limit. I stay in the right lane and they can pass me if they want.
If one guy ignores the law it’s his fault. If everybody ignores the law then it’s the law’s fault. If everyone ignores a speed limit sign then the sign is not working. Simple as that!
You should care if some asshole road rages at you and inflicts violence on you, the way a driver did to my dad when he was following a speed limit on a road people routinely speed on (which has seen extensive modifications over many years to try to combat speeding). It’s terrifying and extremely dangerous.
In my city pedestrians are being hit at roundabouts, not on straight 4 lane roads with great visibility on both sides.
A pedestrian was killed about 1 month before a camera was put in place on a straight 4 lane road with good visibility on both sides in my city.
Their twitter is full of other such wisdumb
Are we sure that twitter account isn't a bot?
Not sure at all. These types of accounts and comments were popping up everywhere at the end of 2024/start of 2025. Suddenly there were lots of pro-51st state "Canadians" all over the internet.
I'm not even sure they aren't just trolling. It kinda feels like rage bait. Or maybe it's a meme for those who get the joke, and propaganda for those who don't.
What a fuckin' traitor.
I'm only like 99.9% against Trump wanting to revoke citizenships. But the there's guys like this and I gotta think "if he's not going to fuck off himself..."
Wants our government to concede to trump then complains that they nearly need to be threatened to do their job. Pretty sure give up Canadian sovereignty is not listed as the role of our politicians.
61 in a 50 is 22% over.
61 is almost 49% more kinetic energy than 50.
I'm actually sympathetic to these folks, because there's a bunch of studies that show that people drive the speed that feels safe. You can't engineer a road to be safe for 15 mph over the posted speed limit and be shook when folks do the speed that feels safe (the US does this ALL THE TIME). That kind of engineering is all but guaranteeing that an enforcement control is going to be a money printer.
Hitting someone at 60km/h vs 50km/h could mean the difference between whether they survive or not. This person should not be driving.
Maybe we should focus on stopping them being on the road to begin with?