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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

First thing that comes to mind for me is the huge number of people who are religious fanatics here, which is unusual for a Western country. This is also a big part of what led us to the fascist government we have today.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think you’ve kinda missed the lede - religious fanatics. We’ve got plenty of those. Other western countries have quite a few religious people, but they aren’t often in-your-face cross wearing, “I’m a Christian”, openly judgy Karens like they are here.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I specified religious fanatics because they're the problem, not religious people in general.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Evangelism in America is a major problem that needs to be addressed. The sooner religion is snuffed out the faster we can begin to build community based on real life.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

in Europe, someone tells me their are Christian or are wearing a cross, it's no big deal.

in the US, it's a massive red flag

Over there it’s usually as part of a conversation. Here it’s a cudgel.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Look at the nutjobs that were the backbone of what became America. Basically a bunch of puritan nutjobs who didn't like how laissez faire England was becoming so they hopped on the boat to America so they could make their puritanical paradise.

Y'all are just noticing it now which is a failure of the education system. Then again we already know this.

Thoughts and prayers to America 🙏🏾

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You’re not wrong. It wasn’t for “freedom of religion”, it was for freedom of their religion.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Yup. They fled to escape religious persecution and then promptly did it themselves when they got here.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The puritans were run out of England after how badly they ran it during the interregum. It was the Netherlands from whence they fled religious tolerance.

[–] jawa21@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck you, Jerry Falwell. Fuck you.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I hope Joel Osteen dies tomorrow

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago

Operation Northwoods

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 57 points 1 day ago

What am I gonna do about it?

Listen here you bastard: Nothing, that's what!

Oh wait, that's probably why they keep doing it.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

MKULTA and COINTELPRO were pretty wild. Operation Northwoods as well. And the FBI basically admitted to assassinating Dr King. By the 1990s they learned to eliminate the paper trails, so probably no telling who actually knew what regarding 9/11 or the 20 trillion dollars that vanished into thin air during Iraq and Afghanistan

Operation Northwoods

One thing that's often missed about this in the hero-worship of JFK is that Kennedy's administration desperately wanted to intervene in Cuba militarily - just because Castro was a Communist - and they had been pressuring the CIA hard to find something to justify an invasion. This was the context in which the CIA finally said "well, we can't find anything, so how about we fake attacks on US citizens and blame it on Cuba?" It wasn't like the CIA came up with this plan on its own out of the blue and presented it to Kennedy for approval.

To their discredit, the CIA would certainly have done this happily if Kennedy had given the go-ahead, but he said "uh, that's a little too far."

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

don't forget the CONTA scandal, illegally financing violent drug cartels to flood black streets with drugs, to sell missiles to Iran and fill private prisons with black people for slave labour.

it sounds like made up BS.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, fairly recently (last 10 years or so) a private jet owned by a CIA shell company went down stuffed to the gills with cocaine. They were 100% responsible for the crack epidemic and the “war on drugs” aka war on POC

Ronald Reagan switching sides on the war of drugs such a twist.

and he was right "we do not negotiate with terrorists" he meant he doesn't negotiate, he just gives them what they want

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 1 day ago

So nobody is going to address the missing Rs? Cool cool cool cool cool.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I've always maintained that we let 9/11 happen to drum up public support to spin up the war machine and further the conservative plot to take over the country. I don't think we orchestrated it, but I do think we knew and looked the other way.

We did it with Pearl Harbor, so it's 100% within the realm of possibility that we did it with 9/11.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate about the Pearl Harbor?

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[–] sk1nnym1ke@piefed.social 33 points 1 day ago (10 children)

As a German I don't understand why the USA basically do have two political parties. I know there are technically other parties but they have no impact.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 100 points 1 day ago (5 children)
  1. Because first past the post electoral systems always result in a 2 party system due to defensive voting.

  2. Because Americans didn't listen to George Washington, when during his farewell address he strongly cautioned against "alternate domination" of a 2 party system.

  3. Because Americans are woefully uneducated, dis-interested, and preoccupied.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And because now that it's entrenched, the two parties will collude even past the death of the country to keep it that way

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This comment from another post here on Lemmy says it all.

I was listening to the 5-4 podcast recently and they repeatedly stressed the point that Trump has lost ≈90% of lower court decisions and won ≈90% of Supreme Court decisions, which is an absurd swing. I’ll try to dig up a source on it though. Still it’s blatantly obvious that the SC has completely abandoned the rule of law and the constitution.

Without rule of law, we're no longer a country.

Reading actual SCOTUS rulings can be pretty wild. The one for the 2000 presidential election basically said "we're giving this to Bush for no particular reason but this is a one-time decision that should never in the future be used as a precedent" despite the fact that precedent from previous rulings is pretty much their whole thing. Even the stay they issued to stop the recount in Florida early in the process basically said "the recount must stop because it would impair the legitimacy of a Bush presidency".

The ruling against Roe v. Wade was just comedy. They were using English law from centuries before the United States even existed as precedent for their decision.

[–] dylanmorgan@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There’s some structural reasons (the senate, primarily) that American politics will almost inevitably devolve into two parties.

If I could do one thing to fix American politics it would be to abolish the senate, which gives low population states an insanely unbalanced level of influence over national politics.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It drives me ls me crazy that Alaska gets the same amount of senate votes as California when we’re fifty times their population.

[–] dylanmorgan@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Wyoming too, which has even fewer people than Alaska.

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Because first past the post electoral systems always result in a 2 party system due to defensive voting.

Nope. FPTP is the norm worldwide and two party systems very much the exception. Even in the US, it's only been the last third or so of the country's history that two have managed to become so all-conquering in spite of being so unrepresentative.

George Washington, when during his farewell address he strongly cautioned against "alternate domination" of a 2 party system.

Pretty sure he was very much against the concept of political parties in general, rather than having any preference as to how many.

But yeah, the two major parties HAVE pretty much embodied all his worries and more..

Because Americans are woefully uneducated, dis-interested, and preoccupied.

That's a big part of the problem, sure, but the issues of regulatory capture and the two parties themselves being in charge of how the entire system works (including the barriers to entry for everyone else) is MUCH more critical.

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because they don't do proportional voting like you Germans or we Austrians do, most of their elections (and all federal ones) have one winning candidate in a state or congressional district.

And there is mostly not even a requirement for 50% of the vote, but the candidate with most votes wins. That creates the two party system.

The parties in the US are much broader than in our countries, it's very common for different members of the same party to vote against each other.

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It is actually 2 flavors of the same party. The USA is a one-party state, controlled by the capitalist party.

EDIT: lol you can downvote me while you decide whether you want to vote for the Israel-defending-capitalist-that-ran-on-"securing"-the-border or the other Israel-defending-capitalist-that-ran-on-"securing"-the-border 🤪

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[–] denial@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago

"Winner takes it all" makes it inherent to the system. They really really need to change that. But that is hard, when it keeps the only two relevant partys in power.

[–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Google "Gerrymandering". It'll all come together.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They have no impact for several reasons, but one weird thing about us Americans is that we're never happy. The Clinton years were peace and prosperity. Nope! Not having any more of that, in comes Bush. We did well enough with Obama. Nope! In comes Trump.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh man, I'm not sure how to condense this much context.

  1. Since the days when the USA was economically reliant on slavery for land development and market growth, the US population has been split over the issue of race and ethnicity. Even before that, the USA was founded by religious conservatives fleeing the church reforms in Europe. "Freedom of Religion" was put into the constitution not to separate church and state but to protect church from state. Because of these very strong and very harmful ideologies, naturally the people split into two camps: for ethnonationalism or against.

  2. The US Constitution is very old. The USA as a country is very young, but it's still one of the oldest democratic systems of government still in use today. It is very flawed: utilizing the electoral college, capping the seats in the house, each state with wildly different population getting two senators, the senate confirming judges, and worst of all "first past the post" ballots. In hindsight a lot of this is terrible for a functioning democracy, but the ethnonationalist party doesn't really like democracy anyways so it's going to take a supermajority to fix it, if you even believed the opposition party were motivated to fix it.

It's kind of like how the Weimar Republic was before the Nazis took over. There is a united hard right party and then theres the SPD. You COULD split the SPD's influence into farther left and communist parties, but then if they don't individually have enough seats they fail to form a government the Nazis have opportunity to become majority in the face of continued inaction from the government.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

CIA needs to be abolished, and everyone in the CIA who did anything illegal or incredibly unethical needs to be prosecuted for it (if they did illegal stuff in allied nations then extradited).

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, running on this as a campaign promise would get you killed. What you need to do is promise amnesty on the grounds of "healing the nation" and then revoke that amnesty once you're in power. As Sun Tzu wrote, never surround your enemy on all four sides.

yhea, if the CIA doesn't want you dead, are you really doing anything with your life?

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Weirdest thing? It's the guns. Definitely the prevalence of guns in the hands of civilians.

Oh. And also how they eat as if their healthcare was affordable.

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[–] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That they live in the 18th century with 21st century things. Religious fanatics all referring to the devil in him and Jesus saved him - separation of church and state but there's references to god everywhere and politicians don't get elected until they're reciting lumps of the Bible in every speech.

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