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Hot off the back of its recent leadership rejig, Mozilla has announced users of Firefox will soon be subject to a ‘Terms of Use’ policy — a first for the iconic open source web browser.

This official Terms of Use will, Mozilla argues, offer users ‘more transparency’ over their ‘rights and permissions’ as they use Firefox to browse the information superhighway — as well well as Mozilla’s “rights” to help them do it, as this excerpt makes clear:

You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet.

When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

Also about to go into effect is an updated privacy notice (aka privacy policy). This adds a crop of cushy caveats to cover the company’s planned AI chatbot integrations, cloud-based service features, and more ads and sponsored content on Firefox New Tab page.

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[–] theherk@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

This comment under the article gave me a chuckle.

[–] DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 63 points 23 hours ago

Good thing LibreWolf and other forks exist, including hard forks like the Goanna browsers.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 103 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Privacy policies should legally be called surveillance policies.

[–] visor841@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

Or "Invasion of Privacy" Policy

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 140 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, that last paragraph doesn't give me hope at all. Fucking AI chatbots.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 196 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The actual addition to the terms is essentially this:

  1. If you choose to use the optional AI chatbot sidebar feature, you're subject to the ToS and Privacy Policy of the provider you use, just as if you'd gone to their site and used it directly. This is obvious.
  2. Mozilla will collect light data on usage, such as how frequently people use the feature overall, and how long the strings of text are that are being pasted in. That's basically it.

The way this article describes it as "cushy caveats" is completely misleading. It's quite literally just "If you use a feature that integrates with third party services, you're relying on and providing data to those services, also we want to know if the feature is actually being used and how much."

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The problem is the inclusion of the feature to begin with. It should be an opt in add install.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 50 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I agree to a point, but I look at this similar to how I'd view any feature in a browser. Sometimes there are features added that I don't use, and thus, I simply won't use them.

This would be a problem for me if it was an "assistant" that automatically popped up over pages I was on to offer "help," but it's not. It's just a sidebar you can click a button in the menu to pop out, or you can never click that button and you'll never have to look at it.

It's not a feature that auto-enables in a way that actually starts sending data to any AI company, it's just an optional interface, that you have to click a specific button to open, that can then interface with a given AI model if you choose to use it. If you don't want to use it, then you ideally won't even see it open during your use of Firefox.

[–] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Please let them not ruin Firefox with some bullshit AI. I can't take much more of this, Firefox is one of the last things I have left.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 20 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

It's two things:

  1. Sidebar you can open from the hamburger menu that is basically just a tiny chat UI
  2. Right click to paste the selected text into the sidebar

If you don't want it, they don't seem to be pushing it any further than that. Just don't click the option in the menus and you'll be fine. (I believe you can also fully disable the option from appearing in settings too)

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

That's good to know actually.

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[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 33 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Where's the gofundme for the firefox fork project?

Was this from google turning off the funding tap?

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Overhyped AI is going to fail, and it can't happen soon enough. The Mozilla leadership really needs to pay attention to that reality.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 15 hours ago

i think MS? admitted AI isnt generating useful profit for them, yea its hype like crypto is.

[–] wioum@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not going to disappear, it has its place, but its not going to be shoehorned into every single thing.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sorry, I realized I'm using my personal jargon in public again. When I said "AI," I meant this overhyped put-it-in-your-mouse garbage. When I'm talking about the actually useful stuff, I usually call it "ML."

Of course you have no reason to know that or care. My apologies.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 42 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Well, we had a good run lads, enshitification is here.

Any recommendations for open source alternatives that are convenient and also have an android app supporting ublock origin.

[–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 day ago (6 children)

librewolf on pc and ironfox on android. both forks of firefox.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

does this affect forks?

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Man all this makes me want to just use Links2 for everything and being a luddite. Complete with cabin in the woods. So frustrating.

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