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I mean, that's what already happened with Lemmingrad.
I personally don't care what their opinions are, but funny thing is that they can defederate from pretty much all instances where they feel attacked. As long as this doesn't change in the future with the fediverse, I'm okay with that
Beehaw did it already :)
Not that I blame them.
Beehaw's degeneration is actually temporary. They said they would like to refederate with major instances when there's better mod tools available. The problem is they're only 4 admins and don't really have the capability to moderate that well right now.
they're only 4 admins and don't really have the capability to moderate that well right now
We know, they continually remind us.
In your entire comment history, this is actually the least hostile comment you've ever made. Amazing
Soon? This has pretty much already happened with lemmygrad
What happened? I just joined there
I don't know the full story but a lot of Lemmy devs/early adapters were Marxist-Leninists who kind of got drowned out by the more liberal Reddit users. I was a (very) passive lurker for a while so I only know a little bit of the story, namely that Lemmy used to be a lot further left. Someone who has been more engaged back then would be more helpful than I.
Dude... Like....
Duuuude...
I don't know how to phrase this, but Reddit was getting filled with... Normal people? Nongeeks? The socially adept?
I'm sooo glad to be back with silly peeps. I missed that sense of critical self awareness haha. And I've been able to express some controversial opinions without getting locked and banned, which is mellowing as fuck.
I believe reddit was simply filled with all kinds of people. There is an array of subs to choose from with different interests and activity levels. I find it silly that people on reddit consider themselves "non-normal" and "geeky". I don't think you're that special.
This is true with all forms of social media. I remember when Twitter was starting out, and one of the main complaints was "Everyone was sharing pictures of what they ate for lunch", and my thought was "Don't follow those people". Reddit has a lot of crappy areas that won't be missed. There are a lot of dumb admins that only use the site to have a power trip. But beyond that, there was a lot of GOOD admins, and GOOD subreddits that were filled with interesting discussions and nice cultures.
This is why I am excited about the Fediverse. There will be servers run by meglomaniacs and trolls. There will be servers and communities filled with racist, misogynistic assholes. But you don't have to go to those. They can be blocked at the community and server levels.
I don't think it will be a problem as we get more and more people here. Having a bigger user base will allow for a better experience for everyone in that more exposure will make it easier for more tools to be developed. More people means more communities, and finding ones that cover more niche topics, which will make the platform more useful.
What's your point of reference? If you're talking about how Reddit was 2 years ago, sure, but if you're talking like pre-2016 I don't agree.
Reddit is less pedantic, less skeptical, and more conformist then it use to be.
I find it silly that people on reddit consider themselves "non-normal" and "geeky". I don't think you're that special.
I completely disagree 🤣 I absolutely am that special 🥰
I've been on Reddit for the past 6 years, to answer the question about the point of reference.
In my opinion, Reddit is suffering from the same problem as the internet in general: the more quantity you have, the less quality overall. The internet kept getting larger and we couldn't index every website anymore so only an ever-diminishing portion that makes it to the surface; in Reddit, this is equivalent to how the sorting algorithms work (best, rising, etc). More people means more fun, but inevitably it means the general subreddits will slowly decay into normalcy. Whatever human biases and behavioural patterns we have will eventually decide what makes it to the top and how much each new opinion or idea is consumed. We're over-populated, and somehow I feel like a federated alternative to Reddit may solve that idea to some extent. At the same time, I'm curious about the new problems that will arise from with system. There are so many available services to choose from, will this lead to a healthier internet or will we get stuck in bubbles of our own creation? At this rate, we'll find out soon enough.
I've been on Reddit for the past 6 years, to answer the question about the point of reference.
(2023 - 6) > 2016
When you and I talk about Reddit we're talking about different things.
No, we are talking about the exact same thing. I just gave a reference to what years I am talking about. Of course Reddit will differ by year. Thanks for doing the math for me like I'm some 4 year old goof.
Please don't start this "the last good album Metallica made was X"... It doesn't get the discussion anywhere, nor does it serve any purpose.
this thread is definitely giving reddit vibes
it's like measuring dick lengths to determine who is right
I can say things like:
"I like Brains faggots more than any other brand" and "Retard the accelerator" without my comment being deleted and/or Reddit-banned for hate-speech.
I once got suspended from Reddit for saying: "The Scots weren't innocent during the British Empire. They were used for a lot of rape & murder".
It was considered racist. Until I appealed with 2 academic history papers that showed the Scottish Highlanders were considered a "martial race" and were used extensively in colonial campaigns during the British Empire. I really don't want to have to fucking educate dumb-as-brick Yank admins who don't know history or language beyond their shores.
I was finally site-suspended and can't create new users because a mod accused me of evading a sub ban. I didn't. Another mod just unbanned me cos the reason I got banned originally was idiotic. The mod didn't care. Re-banned me so my 15yo account got permanently suspended by the admins.
I'm done with that fucking site.
Me, who only made an account because I was banned from Reddit and has no idea how Fediverse stuff works: whistles nervously
Meanwhile I fled to Lemmy from Reddit because I need a place to show art without being under some platform whose vision and actions I don't support
Pixelfed is viable option too, i would love to see your art there!
Banned from Reddit? What’d you do, tell Spez to go fuck himself?
It's often enough to say a bad word about russians and you get permabanned.
Can’t say I’ve ever experienced that, and there’s whole, major subreddits basically dedicated to doing just that..
we're in the same boat haha
No offense, but how do you manage to get banned from Reddit? A certain sub, sure, but the entire website?
They ban people very selectively and its always ideologically motivated. There was a period of time where you would get a 3-day ban for just upvoting the wrong posts. So you could lurk and still get banned for some reason. That happened to me multiple times before I decided to delete my account.
you have my attention, which wrong posts did you upvote?
I downvoted an unpopular admin comment once and got suspended for 3 days for "brigading". It was in the negative thousands.
Nevermind I went to the subreddit for announcements, found that heavily downvoted comment, thought it added nothing to the discussion, because it was fundamentally ridiculous in my mind, and they determined that those actions constituted "brigading".
It's pretty easy, i got banned from a couple of subs for being left-wing (apparently calling out brigading from far-right subs was against the rules).
But i got a sitewide ban because I used an alt to ban evade (can't remember the exact post, but somebody was asking for advise wrt to COVID in a legal sub (I was originally banned for for encouraging a user to get funny but illegal payback on their neighbors), and it felt urgent enough that I was fine getting banned.).
Once you get a siteban, trolls will flag report all your posts even on subs your not banned from, or at least whenever I brought up that r/UKpolitics is modded by a literal fascist, I'd get a new site ban for "ban evasion", to the point where pretty much any encounter with a far right troll or YIMBY would get me a ban.
The admins also seem to work very closely with certain moderators, as was shown when they leaked a trans employees information to TERFisland subs.
So while powermods can't get you a sitewide ban, some have the ear of the admins who can keep an eye on you until you break a sitewide rule.
And on a site which has alt-right subs, it's hard to at the very least walk right up to the line on the rules wrt treating all commenters like humans.
Said that I would murder andrew tate is given the opportunity and apparently that counts as a credible threat of violence
That is very violent phrasing and you only deem it ok because it's geared toward the "right kind of people"
Yes.
I'm fine with that
The beauty of the fediverse is that the last panel can't happen.
We control our own instances. There's no world where admins wouldn't defederate from any Facebook attempt to barge in.
Maybe a few larger instances sell out, but users hold the power here now. If an admin betrays our trust, we'll just make a new instance.
In support of your statement, here's the Fedipact, signed by so many servers and communities across the Fediverse to not let Meta (or any other corpo, in that matter) to barge into the federation:
Even more than defederating, it's in the hands of users. If people were to flood in from somewhere with bad intentions, it would likely be from one or two servers. At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day
At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day
But what if those servers/instances are the ones which has quality communities in it and what if the users and owners of those communities refuse to migrate to new server/instance? Wouldn't that be the same case of reddit where the user base is split and the new migrated server/instance needs building again?
They could defederate servers that don’t do exactly what they want and servers that are defederated might capitulate. The last frame is very possible and we’ve already seen it start to happen with thedonald on shitjustworks.
Edit: that said, I know the Donald comes from Reddit so it’s not the best example. But it’s an example of the method by which the last panel could happen.
ELI5 on thedonald please
It was a super bigoted alt-right subreddit that eventually got banned
Someone recreated it on sh.itjust.works and started posting garbage
The greater fediverse caught wind of it and called for sh.itjust.works to be defederated.
The sh.itjust.works admins got rid of TD (and the user, I believe)
I'm not sure, but I believe at least a couple of instances defederated sh.itjust.works for a bit before letting it back in once action was taken
That's not really what happened here. It was 1 guy who made a community. That 1 guy was banned and his community was deleted for breaking the rules (specifically rule 2, no bigotry). Just before he got banned, people on other instances were freaking out like we just had the entire population of /r/the_donald join up here when it was 1 troll who broke our rules.