What making a film about a second American civil war while avoiding politics does to a worldbuilding
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Here's a list of tons of leftist movies.
Love how in every fantasy about the US splitting apart states continue to use their existing borders.
Also shouldn't this be Civil War 2? Since there was already the first one a while back
Didn't states use their preexisting borders in the real civil war?
Since there was already the first one a while back
The first one only ended on paper, it has been a "cold" civil war since then. I am pretty certain it will be heating up again some time soon.
I feel like on day 1 of a states secession, it would have its old borders. And those borders would become disputed territory on day 2, as various regional governments decide whether to join the secession or try to stay with the old feds. Maybe there would be shifting borders for a while as the war progressed until geopgraphical features start to solidify the defensive lines and territorial claims.
Get them off my team
This makes no sense, pac nor west is full of nazis and cali and texas would never work together
CA and TX don't even share the same watershed, and hydraulic despotism is the only kind of despotism I can see them agreeing with.
On a very abstract level, I like the idea of a US breakup map that doesn’t just basically come down to a Dem/Rep split or rely heavily on broad stereotypes of people from different states (i.e. treating the South as if only white people exist because that’s how the voting shakes out because voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc). People don’t believe me because “Mormons” and “Sin City”, but in a collapse situation Nevada and Utah would absolutely be together because those states are tied tight economically and with the numbers of transplants in each state from the other. So I like the idea of aligning regions of the US on more material issues.
BUT that isn’t even what this dogshit map is doing, the writers just think they’re being edgy and clever by putting CA and TX together because reasons.
Just the dumbest baby-brain idea of a modern civil war. The South is one block, except Texas, SC, and NC for some reason? Why is is called big Florida? California and Texas working together is so bad that I hope it was intentional just to get people talking about the shitty movie. The Maoist insurgency is the PNW and Minnesota, plus a bunch of solidly conservative states? Good old Maoist Mormons.
I liked Ex Machina and Annihilation but damn this man is dumb lmao.
- South Carolina: loyalist
- Utah: communist
- Texas allied with California.
Big Florida is the only thing that makes sense here.
Utah would 100 percent become its own nation. It's kind of a huge part of Mormon folklore/prophecy, that's literally what Mormons mean by Zionism.
Call me an accelerationist all you want, but I strongly believe a hot civil war in Amerikkka would be the best thing possible for the rest of the world. Completely decimating the us's ability to project power and conduct conventional and economic warfare around the world. China has already been shifting the global hegemony away from US power, what would happen if all of the us pigs had to be withdrawn from Africa to fight at home?
Yeah, the world overall would be a much better place. It's pretty much a trolley problem
northwest has a Maoist Insurgency
Don't let your dreams be memes
Edit: Meanwhile, in reality.
The Northwest Territorial Imperative (often shortened to the Northwest Imperative) was a white separatist idea put forward in the 1970s–80s by white nationalist, white supremacist, white separatist and neo-Nazi groups within the United States.
The early reviews I read say that the movie is far less about the United States having a civil war and more about what it means to be a journalist during wartime
So it's likely to make the chuds mad it's not about the libs and its likely to make the libs mad that it's not about the chuds
The early reviews I read say that the movie is far less about the United States having a civil war and more about what it means to be a journalist during wartime
That makes even less sense, what is the point of doing journalism with zero insight in local politi- oh nvm
Hmm. I could see that being I guess better than using another country as the setting for misery porn about how sad white professionals are.
Expectation: Pacific NW Maoist insurgency.
Reality: Pacific NW fascists trying to tiptoe around the word "Volk".
What do Texas and Florida think of each other, given they seem to be in a competition to be the worst
This only makes me appreciate to implicit world building of the first Mad Max movie even more.
hey it's a major hollywood blockbuster
is this russian propaganda?
I fucking detest these people that want civil war. Like, how do you dare fantasize about this shit? Their little murder fantasy is so important to them that it should uproot and destroy the lives of everyone else.
The only upside to another American civil war is that its capacity for imperialism would be decimated. The entire capitalist world order would fall apart.
The real downside for the rest of the world is without a doubt a second US civil war will result in minimum a few hundred nuclear weapons being detonated. Civil wars are one of the most brutal and nasty forms of warfare where some of the worst crimes against humanity regularly are played out.
Due to the nature of the US nuclear triad all sides of a second US civil war will end up with hundreds of nuclear warheads. Washington state has the US Navy nuclear weapons for the Pacific and Virginia state has the nuclear weapons for the Atlantic. States in the middle of the nation like Montana and the Dakotas have the ICBM nuclear weapons. California and Nebraska have large numbers of US Air Force nuclear weapons with the rest of the Air Force nuclear weapons being kept at dozens of US Air Force bases around the globe. All of the officially inactive but still functional nuclear warheads, numbering in the thousands, are stored in underground vaults at the PanTex facility in Texas.
I was going to say that there could be some theoretical match up that would be unlikely to use nukes... But the only reasonable ones are:
- A right wing uprising, in which the CHUDs would nuke the big (where the liberals are to own them) cities as soon as they had the chance.
- A left wing uprising, in which the feds would nuke any communist either as soon as they looked like they were losing, or immediately to snub it.
And being a civil war where the other side has access nuclear weapons, it will result in nuclear retaliation. When a crime on the scale of nuclear weapon deployment is committed, it has to be responded to with nuclear retaliation against the parties responsible. It's the problem with weapons like nuclear warheads that can wipe entire cities off the map in an instance, in that instance a million plus innocent people die and create ten million plus grief filled loved ones demanding swift revenge.
So if the CHUDs nuke the liberal cities, it will result in a nuclear carpet bombing of key rural areas and most of the southern United States. If it is the feds using nukes to put down some kind of successful left-wing uprising, it will result in at minimum Washington DC, Maryland, Virginia, and the Carolinas being wiped off the map in retaliation with a hundred or so nuclear weapons.
I hate maps of rebellion in the USA that conforms to state lines
Real rebellions dont respect borders ffs
maybe it's just showing their claimed, rather than held territory.
For reference from an actual civil war, here's a map of Syria's administrative provinces:
Here's the map of controlled territory by factions in 2016, during the height of the civil war:
You can see that state lines make little difference. It's more relevant where the oil fields are, the geographical features (rivers, deserts, mountains, etc) & where the population centers are.
every US state nominally has an army answerable to its state government. it's a bit silly to believe these would be 1:1 in an actual civil war, but there's reason to believe in a higher retention of regional blocs over a free-for-all.
This is true, and to be fair, the Syrian "civil war" wasn't really a civil war. Insurgents flooded in from Iraq, Jordan and Turkey en masse which is why the ISIS/Rebel (same thing really) strongholds and territories are along these borders. Foreign governments like US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Turkey all poured billions into various terrorist factions, and shipped in heavy weaponry. Russia, Iran, Hezbollah all got involved on the side of Assad.