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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Political objectivity is impossible.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would argue that asking a machine to list known information is not impossible.

Here's a very clear example where chatGPT refused to answer a question regarding Biden but happily answered the exact same question for Trump.

https://youtu.be/_Klkr6PtYzI?t=520

And before anyone starts, NO! I'm not a supporter of the oompaloompa king.

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago

Mhm, but with the way LLMs work, it's not possible to actually remove bias since it's baked into the training data. Any adjustment towards "neutral" would be biased by what the adjuster considers neutral.

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[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Only if emotions are involved. Of course it's not possible as long as we train our AI with flawed human-generated data though.

[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LLM's require human generated data, that's how they work.

[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's how we make them work today. It is possible to stay politically neutral in a language though. And therefore your generalized statement is incorrect.

[–] Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does politically neutral even mean though? Because it's definitely not centrism.

How would you train AI without biased data anyways? All data carries some bias from whoever generated it.

[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What does politically neutral even mean though?

A conversation being void of any kind of politics is politically neutral. And that's most conversations I have.

[–] Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Most people don't agree on what subjects are and aren't political.

[–] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That’s because people mean very different things by “political.” I use the definition of “a subject related to the (usually human) division of power”, because it makes it rhetorically harder for people to depoliticize their pet causes, so we can actually look at what’s happening.