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EDIT Ok so it's just the trolly problem.

EDIT2 : AHA War Games 1983. "The only winning move is not to play." (We might call this the final product of a lot of smart philosophical digestion, because it's a famous movie). There's always the perfectly valid option to ditch the riddle. (Because maybe the riddle is dumb, or maybe the riddle is no better than a thousand others, utilitywise )

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[โ€“] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

You can construct a trolley problem to justify anything you want. It's about the constraints that the person who posed the question chose. You don't really get to choose in a trolley problem. The constraints choose for you. In the real world, our options are not so constrained and the outcomes are not so clear. As such it is useless for actually figuring out what to do.

The trolley problem is a useful basic philosophical experiment to get people to think about things and reflect on constraints, assumptions, and values. And often the best response is in fact "fuck these constraints and assumptions!"

So the trolley problem is not bullshit, but it is very very often misapplied in a bullshit or bad faith way, for example last year in the US I saw a lot of liberals uncritically and unironically appeal to "the trolley problem" to rationalize voting for the party that was committing a live-streamed Holocaust. They were using it to absolve themselves of the responsibility to think about and own their moral judgements, and that is the sort of misuse that a lot of people balk at.

[โ€“] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

*people can construct, not you specifically. But maybe you, I don't know.

Are you going to read or think about the comment or are we done here?

[โ€“] DominatorX1@thelemmy.club 1 points 17 hours ago

Sorry man. Lemmy fatigue. I think I've had it.