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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Same old broken record as with previous Fairphones.

Their holier-than-thou attitude towards security backed them into the corner of being virtually unable to run GrapheneOS on any platform other than Google's own Pixel phones, and now Google is pulling the rug from under them.

The GrapheneOS people were tedious when Micay was there, and they haven't really changed.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't really mind that GrapheneOS excludes other manufacturers/devices based on their extremely strict requirements, it's good to have a tighter option for those who want it. Their team has always been unnecessarily antagonistic/hostile towards other projects in this space, though. The way they communicate publicly is always so extreme and deliberately lacking in context so that everything is framed as "GrapheneOS = good, competitors = bad". They won't acknowledge differing threat models to their own and treat everyone else as a bad actor or a clueless moron, which has led to this very weird cult mentality among the userbase. So many people shill the absolute fuck out of this project online yet have never put any thought into what their personal threat model is or what features they actually want in a custom OS. They don't even know why they installed GrapheneOS, they just read comments from other people on social media or watched a YouTube video and blindly followed along.

[–] Mora@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

The way they communicate publicly is always so extreme and deliberately lacking in context so that everything is framed as "GrapheneOS = good, competitors = bad".

To be fair part of your this is sensationalist "reporting" as above where single tweets (or parts of conversations, etc.) are taken and reported on without offering context.

So many people shill the absolute fuck out of this project online yet have never put any thought into what their personal threat model is or what features they actually want in a custom OS. They don't even know why they installed GrapheneOS, they just read comments from other people on social media or watched a YouTube video and blindly followed along.

Yeah, that tends to happen. Not everyone has the knowledge or the capacity to (learn what a threat model is and) create a threat model and then make calls based on that. But that is not unique to Graphene, that happens everywhere (Streamer promoting/judging video games, Pop stars promoting/judging politicians, etc).

But in this specific case I would argue that is more of a good thing - even if some people don't understand the fine details and they just heard "more security, more control, more features" . The increased userbase gives Graphene more leverage and in a just world big companies and countries would maybe rethink their approach to data collection.

Personally I also hope that Graphene and Fairphone talk with each other instead about each other, because together they could create a fantastic device.