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Are we all "Anti-AI Trolls"? Enforcement of instance rules and community standards.
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this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2025
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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All posts should follow this basic structure:
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
- What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
- Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
- Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
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- Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
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- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
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I agree that random blocking sours the reputation.
The only thought I can conjure is perhaps a mod got pissed about a post and banned everyone from a thread, including commentators defending our even just neutrally discussing AI.
I think more detail, perhaps direct comment from the mod(s) involved, is warranted.
As to "vote manipulation", brigading or mass vote blasts are against the rules but harder to pass muster on a bit.
Again, the mod should have a chance to respond for sure.
The mod in question is apparently convinced that Lemmy is full of "anti-AI trolls" who are planning to brigade their communities with mass downvotes, accuse them of pedophilia, send death threats, and all kinds of stuff.
-https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521
And so, the only solution is to cast about for random people all over the Lemmyverse (including me, well known hater of all things AI) and send out bans like stray beads of spittle flying from a drunk politician's mouth. Obviously. It's the only way to keep us safe.
I feel like it's a toss-up whether this person is stirring drama on purpose (trying to create "pro-AI" and "anti-AI" camps and instigate disagreements between them), or whether they've just got some screws loose and like to paint themselves as the victim of a vast conspiracy and also enjoy using the "ban" button that comes with their UI. IDK. It's not really that big a deal, honestly, I feel like it could be solved in a day or so with some frank conversations and openness on all sides. I'm not sure why so little energy is going towards that, and why so much energy is going towards deciding which specific strictures we're going to have the software enforce on all of us going forward and who the enemy needs to be.
Something is weird about it, that's all I can really say.
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And for reference, here's someone being a transphobe to zir because the internet just can't help it to not spam hate to people online.
Edit: another account was just made to harass Mystic: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.works
That has literally nothing at all to do with banning me. We might as well talk about banning you, because that user said that. That's as much relationship that comment has to the subject of OP's post.
(I also think it's sort of convenient that a new user popped up and started making cartoonishly harassing comments about the person we're talking about, thus propping up the "mods need the ability to ban totally random people, because look at this person he's so bad look at what a terrible thing he did, I 100% guarantee you that the mod banning random people is always the victim and never the harasser no matter what they ever do" narrative.)
I reported that comment, as I'm sure some other people did. You do understand that has literally nothing at all to do with banning other users who haven't done anything that that person did?
Am I the weird one in this conversation? I'm having this sort of Alice in Wonderland feeling here.
Well I haven't had my coffee this morning, so maybe I'm being weird.
But I wanted to at least document that in this very thread there's people harassing zir, because zir exists online.
I don't think it's odd to think there's users targeting harassment them, when examples pop up without being asked.
Edit: An account was made about 15 minutes ago to harass Mystic: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.works
You know what? Let's try some Socratic teaching.
The people harassing the mod should be:
The people not harassing the mod or doing anything wrong should be:
I feel like this should be an easy test, but let's see what you come up with.
I'm a mod in a community that some hate, we automatically ban anyone who visits (or trips over it on the front page) and only down votes too many things
Some of them have felt hard done by, but they don't want to be unbanned, they really don't want to see our content
I wonder if the op was really just db0 being just a little more trigger happy. The "nothing" might have been down voting something that quickly attracted tens of down votes in quick succession, causing them to be mistaken for brigading. Votes cluster in time.
I agree they shouldn't be banned when they aren't harassing.
I think we just don't agree what constitutes harassment.
Sometimes it's obvious, like today and a month back at Mystic. A user insulting directly, or spinning up a bot to impersonate and say horrid shit about them.
Sometimes it's basically digitally stalking communities like Hexbear does. Lefty Memes on here has Hexbear users that pounce on the comments if you call out simping for dictators isn't exactly any good for anyone.
Maybe I need my coffee and I'm autistic as fuck at times, but you're not my enemy here, I just find it odd that people (not you here) don't like a community, and instead of avoiding it, get involved with it in a bad way.
Is that every user banned in the Stable communities? I can't say for certain. Mystic has data on zir end that has vote manipulation, and documenting the harassment.
I'll admit that I might be biased, I might be dumb here, I might be not fully awake or picking up context clues. But I've seen the shit flung at Mystic for just having a community online where they don't spread it outside of that, and to some that's a crime that demands becoming a lolcow for Lemmy.
Mystic has responded on the db0 community feedback, as has db0 himself about this. Db0 has no issues with this issue. Mystic doesn't come in here as no one expects the data zir provides, because they want to be unbanned despite not wanting to interact with the communities.
I'm not trying to shut you up, and I hope you're doing the same. I'm just trying to say I understand and sympathize with Mystic here. You saw today just one of the things people will do to zir just because they post content online.
Is every mod action there fair? Fuck if i know, I'm not one of the mods there. I don't like being an mod on Lemmy, I made this account to avoid that when I abandoned the last time I was.
I don't wish to keep this going I don't think either one of us is going to suddenly change our views here. We could go for hours or days on end, and go nowhere with it.
I'm going to make my coffee and try to be with my friends this morning. This is not a "haha I win, I'm leaving now" this is me explaining why I'm not coming back for a debate for today at least.
Yeah, I mean it's fine. I'm not trying to "debate," I'm trying to get you to grasp the point that I was banned for literally no reason at all. I've never participated in that community, I'm not an "anti-AI troll," I'm not harassing them by any stretch of the possible imagination. My only participation even adjacent to that is sometimes from my previous account upvoting content from the main Stable Diffusion community because I like it. I sometimes talk negatively about some types of AI, as it happens I have some recent comments talking positively about it, but I don't really have any kind of tribal affiliation either for or against.
I don't know why you keep bringing stuff that other people have done into the conversation, and trying to triangulate this thing where because this moderator was harassed by somebody else, that means they have a right to accuse anybody they want of anything they want. That doesn't make any sense to me, I think it's a toxic pattern that should be called out when it happens. That's the only reason I care to any degree about any of this. I am unlikely to participate in any of the places I was banned from, overall it's fine. My point is just that falling into this thinking where we have to be in tribes and one person from one tribe was a victim and so they lashed out at a bunch of other people and it's okay because they're a victim, that's wrong.
Well yeah, there are bots made in zir username that were horrid and mocking zir because zir mods a space on the internet. Calling zir a pig, misgendering, saying pigs are tasty, etc.
What would you call that if not harassing? Our admins can confirm this.
But this happened to me as well. Haven't heard of any bots in my name.
Me neither, I haven't had a dedicated hater that much yet. I know some people outright hate me even if we agree on the same issue at the moment.
I'll hate you. If you want.
Nah, but I appreciate the offer. :3
Okay! I just know how important it can be to be hated sometimes. I don't know your needs, but i wouldn't want to deny anyone that if it's one of them.
Hate the game, not the player.
But what if the player has a deep hate shaped hole in their heart, and just needs a good enemy for a while? That's why i make that offer. So many people will offer to be your friend, but some go their whole lives without coherent enemies to hate, to plot and brood about, to hone themselves against, and i think that's really sad.
Maybe don't be such an insensitive jerk.
Did I accidentally sign up for this service?
No, no, totally consent based. Would you like to?
Would you like me to?
No preference; ive got plenty, but wouldn't have made the offer without room for more.
See this is a person we can ban lol
Hope so.
Nope, get bent. Transphobia isn't cool even if you don't like the person.
Wow, besides being a whiny asshole, you're also transphobic. Fuck you.
Edit: Glad you're banned.
My lemmy head canon is that all the pro-AI folks are actually AI themselves.
I know this happened to me too. I think there are a lot of very fragile people who really like this technology.
What the fuck? Why even come here?
Because they hate users who have fun.
And when banned from here, made a new account.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/MoarCuntsPlz@sh.itjust.works
When does the communities mentioned hit All? They're very small communities people only go to by choice.
page 4 of all is still all. plus the algorithm is funky, might be scaling by com size
Sorted by New. I had to block those communities because they fill New with spam