Some of the ones who are against him are all like: "He's so rude, he's going to ruin our country." But, then they turn around and tell me that the country has an illegal migrant problem and that we shouldn't try to take so many migrants into the country. It's almost like they want his policies but, they just don't like that he pushes them in such crass style. It's so much of the dynamic you see with the two parties, where one is the mask-off barbarism party and the other one is the "smart" and "civil" barbarism party. No matter how many times you explain this to these people, they always find themselves back to the beginning where they were traumatized by seeing Trump be rude in 2016, and allow that to be the pass the Democrats need to enact similar policies as the "civil" barbarism party. It's maddening to try to reason with these people and see it's all been a fruitless effort.

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[–] duderium@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Cool and interesting. I’m american but married overseas. When we moved back here to raise our kids (I was still a liberal at the time), my oldest ended up in elementary school here. During some ceremony in the gym everyone had to stand up for the flag, but because he was still new to the country he didn’t know what was going on and remained sitting. He was basically accidentally based. We ended up homeschooling our kids for the first three years of the pandemic (when we spent a lot of time reading leftwing theory and history). They wanted to go back to school last September so we let them. There’s massive liberal influences there but my kids are generally still pretty contemptuous of american society (they also keep getting betrayed by liberal teachers whom they initially looked up to) and I have high hopes for them.